'Murica! (146 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

My family was one of them. My great grandfather on my mother's mother's side came here illegally through Canada (entered there illegally too after jumping off of a ship that he worked on) from Torre del Greco. This is why it's baffling to me when I see certain family member be so hard on illegal immigrants, as though we weren't the product of it ourselves.

Not us. My grandfather and his sister came here and my grandfather worked here for years for ocean spray. He eventually died here in 1974 at age 44 due to stroke and then my aunt help us come with green cards in 1977

 

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[ALC]

My family was one of them. My great grandfather on my mother's mother's side came here illegally through Canada (entered there illegally too after jumping off of a ship that he worked on) from Torre del Greco. This is why it's baffling to me when I see certain family member be so hard on illegal immigrants, as though we weren't the product of it ourselves.

Not speaking for your family, but most people coincide illegal immigration with people south of the border, not Europeans. That’s the illegal immigration they don’t like.

 

[Enron]

Just out of curiosity those who live in the US how many generations away are you from the immigration

1840s - 1860s.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

1840s - 1860s.

That's cool we should run a thread to see this

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not speaking for your family, but most people coincide illegal immigration with people south of the border, not Europeans. That’s the illegal immigration they don’t like.

I live in Freehold boro in new jersey a highly immigrant populated region and I don't care about who or what the people are I treat them all equally. All I know is that we as a state/country can't just allow unfettered access to resources. So the only way to stop it is to reform the immigration system and stop illegal immigration to the best of the ability

 

[Post Ironic]

You believe this study (of which you provided no link) proves that when a woman is raped and the sperm of the man raping her ends up inside of her, it is less likely that she will become pregnant if the same thing happens with consensual sex?

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It was a lot easier to immigrate to the US. Both legally and illegally. But the conditions are so different you can't really conclude anything from that. I'm honestly not quite sure what point he thinks he is making.

I provided a link to that study. Which showed a 5% pregnancy rate among rape victims (it also ignored things like condom use). Other studies have shown upwards of 10% and even as high as 17%. I linked one of these.

AC said scientific research shows pregnancies resulting from rape are very rare to the point of being irrelevant, which is simply a conservative talking point and not true at all. There’s not a single peer-reviewed study that shows this.

It’s more likely based on widespread medieval scientific notions that a woman could not get pregnant without experiencing pleasure/orgasm, which was used to convict pregnant women who were raped of adultery.

And now be’s trying to change the goalposts to say that 5% is lower than actual pregnancy rates so he was right. But that’s not how it works. He said rape-related pregnancies are so rare that they are irrelevant to the abortion discussion. 5% of rape victims becoming pregnant is not rare, nor are 30,000 plus pregnancies a year from rape irrelevant.

But he continues to make spurious and ignorant claims on things he has no clue about and can’t back any of them up with actual evidence. It’s the same every time.

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He wasn't being critical he was mocking and had his laughing face etc

I was criticizing the hypocrisy of your point of view on abortion, which is so outrageous it inspires laughter.

 

[Ronn]

Imagine if Obama did this

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I provided a link to that study. Which showed a 5% pregnancy rate among rape victims (it also ignored things like condom use). Other studies have shown upwards of 10% and even as high as 17%. I linked one of these.

AC said scientific research shows pregnancies resulting from rape are very rare to the point of being irrelevant, which is simply a conservative talking point and not true at all. There’s not a single peer-reviewed study that shows this.

It’s more likely based on widespread medieval scientific notions that a woman could not get pregnant without experiencing pleasure/orgasm, which was used to convict pregnant women who were raped of adultery.

And now be’s trying to change the goalposts to say that 5% is lower than actual pregnancy rates so he was right. But that’s not how it works. He said rape-related pregnancies are so rare that they are irrelevant to the abortion discussion. 5% of rape victims becoming pregnant is not rare, nor are 30,000 plus pregnancies a year from rape irrelevant.

But he continues to make spurious and ignorant claims on things he has no clue about and can’t back any of them up with actual evidence. It’s the same every time.

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I was criticizing the hypocrisy of your point of view on abortion, which is so outrageous it inspires laughter.

It may make you laugh but more and more people are becoming pro life so you're opinion matters not to me

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

A section here charts support from 1995 through 2018.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

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And speaking of life, here's a move made by New Jersey that I support:

N.J. approves bill giving terminally ill people the right to end their lives

https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/03...-ill-people-the-right-to-end-their-lives.html

 

[Post Ironic]

It may make you laugh but more and more people are becoming pro life so you're opinion matters not to me

Sure looks like pro-life is skyrocketing.

 

[Ronn]

Anti-vaxer's number is also on the rise. It doesn't make them any less stupid.

 

[Post Ironic]

A section here charts support from 1995 through 2018.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

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And speaking of life, here's a move made by New Jersey that I support:

N.J. approves bill giving terminally ill people the right to end their lives

https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/03...-ill-people-the-right-to-end-their-lives.html

I just posted the Gallup numbers chart from 1976 to 2018.

Legal in all circumstances has risen 7% since 1976. Illegal in all circumstances has dropped 3%.

Legal in all + certain circumstances has risen from 76% to 79% since 1976.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Sure looks like pro-life is skyrocketing.

https://amp-axios-com.cdn.ampprojec...ice-7170b431-eb2f-4292-b801-8ed56cf2d056.html

 

[AndreaCristiano]

https://www-realclearpolitics-com.c...mericans_favor_limits_on_abortion_139205.html

 

[AndreaCristiano]

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/6192...abortion-rights-wanes-as-pregnancy-progresses

 

[Post Ironic]

Anti-vaxer's number is also on the rise. It doesn't make them any less stupid.

He's also wrong again. He made another Trump style "more and more people are becoming" statement without any evidence to back it up.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

All of these a I've show the trend is going toward more restrictions and more pro life you can laugh all you want but generation Z is very pro life

 

[AndreaCristiano]

He's also wrong again. He made another Trump style "more and more people are becoming" statement without any evidence to back it up.

Just posted 3 articles to back it up

 

[Ronn]

Just posted 3 articles to back it up

All referring to one single Marist poll.

 

[Post Ironic]

https://www-realclearpolitics-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/01/18/poll_shows_most_americans_favor_limits_on_abortion_139205.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/01/18/poll_shows_most_americans_favor_limits_on_abortion_139205.html

Wanting limits on abortion and wanting all abortions stopped are very different things. I'm pretty sure the vast majority here in this debate are in favour of limits on when and how abortions can take place.

And as I showed above, support for abortion being legal in at least some circumstance has risen.