'Murica! (129 Viewers)

[Enron]

Would be nice but will never happen.

Two levels about you baby.

 

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[ALC]

Sometimes I think of voting Republican and then I realize how fucking crazy some of their party members are. And even worse, how influential they are. Like Aaron said, they probably are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

What is this planned parenthood bullshit? Why would they want to shut it down? What does anyone gain from doing that? And why does that party come across as so ignorant and loud and pushy? They need to figure things out.

 

[Martin]

Sometimes I think of voting Republican and then I realize how $#@!ing crazy some of their party members are. And even worse, how influential they are. Like Aaron said, they probably are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

What is this planned parenthood bull$#@!? Why would they want to shut it down? What does anyone gain from doing that? And why does that party come across as so ignorant and loud and pushy? They need to figure things out.

i give you an assist. now you just have to finish it

 

[swag]

Sometimes I think of voting Republican and then I realize how fucking crazy some of their party members are. And even worse, how influential they are. Like Aaron said, they probably are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

What is this planned parenthood bullshit? Why would they want to shut it down? What does anyone gain from doing that? And why does that party come across as so ignorant and loud and pushy? They need to figure things out.

The Planned Parenthood thing is just retarded. Trying to appeal to the conservative anti-abortion demographic with just a sliver of what PP actually does (good luck for getting the 95% of other women's healthcare services at a price that Medicare will cover), they're acting just like Putin with gays: privately he's got gays up and down the ranks of his staff, but publicly he plays to the crowd by going off about the evils of promoting gay lifestyles.

 

[Hust]

Sometimes I think of voting Republican and then I realize how fucking crazy some of their party members are. And even worse, how influential they are. Like Aaron said, they probably are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

What is this planned parenthood bullshit? Why would they want to shut it down? What does anyone gain from doing that? And why does that party come across as so ignorant and loud and pushy? They need to figure things out.

Wait and democrats don't pander to the lowest common denominator?

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And all they want to do is defund planned parenthood. Let someone else pay for it and make it private funded rather than force all tax payers to fund it.

 

[Enron]

Wait and democrats don't pander to the lowest common denominator?

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And all they want to do is defund planned parenthood. Let someone else pay for it and make it private funded rather than force all tax payers to fund it.

It's a bit more complicated than that amigo.

 

[Hust]

It's a bit more complicated than that amigo.

For some of course.

I don't want to pay for it but I could care less what other people choose to do. It's their choice not mine I would rather it be private funded.

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The idea that they have broken the law and got away with it yet still receive federal funding baffles me.

Why is it so easy to break the law at that level and get away with it?

 

[Martin]

For some of course.

I don't want to pay for it but I could care less what other people choose to do. It's their choice not mine I would rather it be private funded.

so what do you want to pay for?

 

[Enron]

For some of course.

I don't want to pay for it but I could care less what other people choose to do. It's their choice not mine I would rather it be private funded.

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The idea that they have broken the law and got away with it yet still receive federal funding baffles me.

Why is it so easy to break the law at that level and get away with it?

They broke the law?

 

[Fred]

Wait and democrats don't pander to the lowest common denominator?

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And all they want to do is defund planned parenthood. Let someone else pay for it and make it private funded rather than force all tax payers to fund it.

Exactly. They want to decide what's moral and what's not, and then they want the taxpayers to foot the bill.

 

[Enron]

Exactly. They want to decide what's moral and what's not, and then they want the taxpayers to foot the bill.

Again. It's more complicated than that.

But I can see where you guys are coming from. As a tax payer, I would rather pay for Planned Parenthood and infrastructure than wars in Iraq and Afganistan.

 

[Fred]

Again. It's more complicated than that.

But I can see where you guys are coming from. As a tax payer, I would rather pay for Planned Parenthood and infrastructure than wars in Iraq and Afganistan.

I'd rather only pay for what is necessarily a government provided service; infrastructure, law enforcement, etc. Don't be bringing me programs like planned parenthood or whatever the fvck else, and ask me to foot the bill. Let people choose what causes they want to fund.

 

[Ocelot]

Exactly. They want to decide what's moral and what's not, and then they want the taxpayers to foot the bill.

Cancel Planned Parenthood and watch the incidence of STDs, teenage pregancies & illegal abortions rise considerably, making it actually more expensive for society than Planned Parenthood is.

Not to mention that PP gets ~half a billion a year, peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Martin]

Cancel Planned Parenthood and watch the incidence of STDs, teenage pregancies & illegal abortions rise considerably, making it actually more expensive for society than Planned Parenthood is.

Not to mention that PP gets ~half a billion a year, peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

Freddy doesn't care, he has his principles.

 

[Fred]

Cancel Planned Parenthood and watch the incidence of STDs, teenage pregancies & illegal abortions rise considerably, making it actually more expensive for society than Planned Parenthood is.

Not to mention that PP gets ~half a billion a year, peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

First of all it is highly debatable that the organization reduces the incidence of those issues. Secondly, I'd say there are better ways of reducing them.

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Freddy doesn't care, he has his principles.

I do care, I'd argue that my principles help reduce those issues, even though they might not be politically correct to your liberal mind

 

[Hust]

Cancel Planned Parenthood and watch the incidence of STDs, teenage pregancies & illegal abortions rise considerably, making it actually more expensive for society than Planned Parenthood is.

Not to mention that PP gets ~half a billion a year, peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

All of which are not my fault or those of the tax payers funding the thing.

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First of all it is highly debatable that the organization reduces the incidence of those issues. Secondly, I'd say there are better ways of reducing them.

And out of how many of those going for such things came from a broken family with little to no values. There are much bigger issues at hand IMO.

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that "half a billion" a year could go to more productive things, like maybe education in urban areas.

 

[Martin]

First of all it is highly debatable that the organization reduces the incidence of those issues. Secondly, I'd say there are better ways of reducing them.

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I do care, I'd argue that my principles help reduce those issues, even though they might not be politically correct to your liberal mind

Abstinence education was it?

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All of which are not my fault or those of the tax payers funding the thing.

nor is street crime, so you shouldn't pay for the police either

 

[Ocelot]

First of all it is highly debatable that the organization reduces the incidence of those issues. Secondly, I'd say there are better ways of reducing them.

Probably, things are rarely perfect
But what are these ways, and do the Republicans plan to implement them?

For the first part, it is debateable, but there seem to be a lot of people agreeing with me, and even somewhat concrete prognoses:
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/why-defunding-planned-parenthood-bad-economics
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/f...imate/ltrpermanentdefundplannedparenthood.pdf
"Netting those costs against the savings estimated above, CBO estimates that implementing
the bill would increase direct spending by $130 million over the 2016-2025 period."

And that's just talking about economic costs, not the social & human costs that the affected people, mostly women, would have to bear.

 

[Hust]

nor is street crime, so you shouldn't pay for the police either

I would rather pay law enforcement that keeps my neighborhood safe for my family from idiots like Michael Brown than for a teen that gets an STD and pregnant from a bad decision.

One actually effects me more than the other.

 

[Fred]

All of which are not my fault or those of the tax payers funding the thing.

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And out of how many of those going for such things came from a broken family with little to no values. There are much bigger issues at hand IMO.

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that "half a billion" a year could go to more productive things, like maybe education in urban areas.

Exactement!

Abstinence education was it?

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nor is street crime, so you shouldn't pay for the police either

Police's job is to keep everyone safe, I'd gladly pay for that.

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Probably, things are rarely perfect
But what are these ways, and do the Republicans plan to implement them?

For the first part, it is debateable, but there seem to be a lot of people agreeing with me, and even somewhat concrete prognoses:
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/why-defunding-planned-parenthood-bad-economics
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/f...imate/ltrpermanentdefundplannedparenthood.pdf
"Netting those costs against the savings estimated above, CBO estimates that implementing
the bill would increase direct spending by $130 million over the 2016-2025 period."

And that's just talking about economic costs, not the social & human costs that the affected people, mostly women, would have to bear.

I'm sure I can find republican leaning academics who have done research that points to the other direction as well.

In all cases, I am personally against programs like these that force people to pay for others mistakes, and also arguably provide a safe net for those who make bad life decisions. The underlying principle for me is that for those who feel the need to fund an organization such as planned parenthood, then by all means go ahead and be charitable, just don't force the rest of the population to fund it too. Perhaps if the government reduced the tax burden, people would have more means to be charitable with issues they believe in.