'Murica! (206 Viewers)

[CrimsonianKing]

There's that meaningless word again. It's been used so much over the past 8 years that it is nothing more than a fart in the wind. It's fine if you don't like his persona, but the people calling him a bigot without any evidence is nothing more than dishonesty. Of course, most of you aren't Americans anyway, so nobody here could care any less about what you have to say. Yet you keep on talkin'.

Well, it's far from meaningless and all the evidence were there for everyone to see. In every one of his interviews and rallies. For every little stupid thing he said. To suggest a religious group to be put on a register, to call a whole people a bunch of rapists, Wanting to reinstate the stop and frisk law which did nothing more than racial profiling anyone who wasn't white and btw was ruled unconstitutional, mocking someone who's disabled, etc... And really being utterly intolerant with anyone and to anything he disagrees with, that's bigotry.

But that's fine, you choose to deny that. That's your problem. It's well documented and the whole world saw it. We all heard the things he said and the promises he made. Whether he will do it, we'll see. And by the way, one doesn't have to be an American to see how of an act of desperation having him ellected was.

Now I ask, forget Hillary, forget the democrats, forget the parties, America has a great history and had great presidents.

Having this guy as your president make you feel proud at all?

 

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[Post Ironic]

Take a history lesson. Every single American president of the modern era has killed people, has killed more or less of your troops for nothing.

But you just go ahead and call everyone who disagrees with you a libtard. A term, just like bigot, that you seem to have no clue as to the meaning of.

Bjerknes, that is.

And I said it after the election. I hope Trump surprises me, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The same would have been true with Hillary.

Your country's problem is partisanship, and the outrageous degree to which it has taken over the political discourse. Both the "alt-right" and the "libtards" are at fault for this. Both Obama's stubbornness and unwillingness to negotiate and the Tea Party republicans who tried to disrupt his government at every turn.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Take a history lesson. Every single American president of the modern era has killed people, has killed more or less of your troops for nothing.

But you just go ahead and call everyone who disagrees with you a libtard. A term, just like bigot, that you seem to have no clue as to the meaning of.

Bjerknes, that is.

And I said it after the election. I hope Trump surprises me, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The same would have been true with Hillary.

Your country's problem is partisanship, and the outrageous degree to which it has taken over the political discourse. Both the "alt-right" and the "libtards" are at fault for this. Both Obama's stubbornness and unwillingness to negotiate and the Tea Party republicans who tried to disrupt his government at every turn.

I was sure I saw an article once about how long this country has been at war and just from a quick research pretty much every US president in history have blood on their hands:

Pick any year since 1776 and there is about a 91% chance that America was involved in some war during that calendar year.
* No U.S. president truly qualifies as a peacetime president. Instead, all U.S. presidents can technically be considered “war presidents.”
* The U.S. has never gone a decade without war.
* The only time the U.S. went five years without war (1935-40) was during the isolationist period of the Great Depression.

since the United States was founded in 1776, she has been at war during 214 out of her 235 calendar years of existence

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, it's far from meaningless and all the evidence were there for everyone to see. In every one of his interviews and rallies. For every little stupid thing he said. To suggest a religious group to be put on a register, to call a whole people a bunch of rapists, Wanting to reinstate the stop and frisk law which did nothing more than racial profiling anyone who wasn't white and btw was ruled unconstitutional, mocking someone who's disabled, etc... And really being utterly intolerant with anyone and to anything he disagrees with, that's bigotry

None of that proves he's a bigot though. Just because he says a lot of illegals are rapists doesn't make him a bigot. He might be misguided, but that doesn't prove anything. You're basically peddling fake news from CNN again.

Having this guy as your president make you feel proud at all?

No, but it doesn't mean I should become intellectually dishonest just because my guy didn't win. Most of the criticisms of Trump are unfounded and simply childish. That's what I can't get over.

Take a history lesson. Every single American president of the modern era has killed people, has killed more or less of your troops for nothing.

Not always. Obviously our involvement in WWII was needed and arguably the Korean War. But Iraq and Afghanistan were completely unnecessary, folks literally died for nothing there. Well, maybe they died for Halliburton or whatever.

 

[Post Ironic]

None of that proves he's a bigot though. Just because he says a lot of illegals are rapists doesn't make him a bigot. He might be misguided, but that doesn't prove anything. You're basically peddling fake news from CNN again.



No, but it doesn't mean I should become intellectually dishonest just because my guy didn't win. Most of the criticisms of Trump are unfounded and simply childish. That's what I can't get over.



Not always. Obviously our involvement in WWII was needed and arguably the Korean War. But Iraq and Afghanistan were completely unnecessary, folks literally died for nothing there. Well, maybe they died for Halliburton or whatever.

I did say modern era... Which as far as U.S. Presidents go, starts with Kennedy for me, as the first true post-world war era president. Everyone since then has American blood on his hands (some more so than others), some for better reasons than others. And you can bet your ass Trump will be no different.

 

[Bjerknes]

I was sure I saw an article once about how long this country has been at war and just from a quick research pretty much every US president in history have blood on their hands:

Pick any year since 1776 and there is about a 91% chance that America was involved in some war during that calendar year.
* No U.S. president truly qualifies as a peacetime president. Instead, all U.S. presidents can technically be considered “war presidents.”
* The U.S. has never gone a decade without war.
* The only time the U.S. went five years without war (1935-40) was during the isolationist period of the Great Depression.

since the United States was founded in 1776, she has been at war during 214 out of her 235 calendar years of existence

Obama, the longest wartime president in history, defends terror strategy

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-argues-sustainable-strategy-terror/95012796/

See, it's OK now because he did it. He's one of the good guys. What happened to all that "liberal" resentment of war?

But anyways, your statistics are incorrect as only Congress can declare war.

 

[Post Ironic]

Andy, who here is saying Obama was a great president?

Saying Trump is an utter twat and imbecile doesn't mean anyone thinks Obama was some great president worthy of Rushmore...

 

[Seven]

Andy, who here is saying Obama was a great president?

Saying Trump is an utter twat and imbecile doesn't mean anyone thinks Obama was some great president worthy of Rushmore...

I feel as if in twenty years time we will look back on this and say this is when social media started to dumb down society and politics.

What bothers me most is the childishness and the stupidity of it all. I mean, the dude's rhetorics on Twitter.. He even makes statements and then follows them up with ...-NOT! It's something that's considered funny in kindergarten.

The more I look at it the more I get depressed tbh. If this is the level we will hold ourselves to in the future... And then you get guys like Andy who are just too lazy to try and look through it..

I don't know. Generally I'm very optimistic. I believe that for the most part we have been going forward at a pretty fast and linear pace. But this seems such a huge backwards step.

 

[Post Ironic]

I feel as if in twenty years time we will look back on this and say this is when social media started to dumb down society and politics.

What bothers me most is the childishness and the stupidity of it all. I mean, the dude's rhetorics on Twitter.. He even makes statements and then follows them up with ...-NOT! It's something that's considered funny in kindergarten.

The more I look at it the more I get depressed tbh. If this is the level we will hold ourselves to in the future... And then you get guys like Andy who are just too lazy to try and look through it..

I don't know. Generally I'm very optimistic. I believe that for the most part we have been going forward at a pretty fast and linear pace. But this seems such a huge backwards step.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...efend_russia_and_attack_u_s_intelligence.html

Slate isn't great, but there is no real opinion presented in this... Just statements, tweets, and interviews in which Trump and his advisors and RNC members dismiss the intelligence committee and its findings entirely and defend Russia against the allegations tooth and nail...

It just doesn't make sense.

And then you see a guy like Andy who spent the last several months of the election talking about how "the entire intelligence community" was anti-Clinton and thinks she is a criminal... but now when the Intelligence community, and not just a small portion of it, but the entire US intelligence and security community has basically come out to support that Russia was involved in an operation to try to destabilize and influence the US election, well now, according to Andy, the intelligence community is a joke...

Trump and his advisors are literally tweeting and stating in interviews that Russian denials are evidence that they didn't do it.

And while we don't get to see the classified evidence as members of the public, so we'll never truly know the extent of it, it's pretty clear Russia was involved in it. It's quite insane the lengths the Trump campaign is going to and the vehemence with which they are defending Russia and Putin here.

 

[s4tch]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/15/us/politics/you-draw-obama-legacy.html

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The whole Trump ordeal is good because like he said it will drain the swamp, and the swamp will be drained by association, all the people who associate themselves with cheeto Jesus will forerver have that brand, cuz you just know cunt face is going down in a blaze of shit

 

[Seven]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...efend_russia_and_attack_u_s_intelligence.html

Slate isn't great, but there is no real opinion presented in this... Just statements, tweets, and interviews in which Trump and his advisors and RNC members dismiss the intelligence committee and its findings entirely and defend Russia against the allegations tooth and nail...

It just doesn't make sense.

And then you see a guy like Andy who spent the last several months of the election talking about how "the entire intelligence community" was anti-Clinton and thinks she is a criminal... but now when the Intelligence community, and not just a small portion of it, but the entire US intelligence and security community has basically come out to support that Russia was involved in an operation to try to destabilize and influence the US election, well now, according to Andy, the intelligence community is a joke...

Trump and his advisors are literally tweeting and stating in interviews that Russian denials are evidence that they didn't do it.

And while we don't get to see the classified evidence as members of the public, so we'll never truly know the extent of it, it's pretty clear Russia was involved in it. It's quite insane the lengths the Trump campaign is going to and the vehemence with which they are defending Russia and Putin here.

Their involvement will be huge. Intelligence agencies normally don't come out with news that can cause riots without reason (though the fbi at least has been very reckless I guess). This is pretty much saying that the democratic process in the us is not guaranteed.

In spite of what people might think neither Obama nor Clinton has a direct intrest either. They'll obviously won't be able to have it annull Trump's election and it only makes them look like sore losers. They know that.

Most worrying about all of this is that Americans like Andy don't care. They'd rather be happy because they were 'right' in their very late support of Trump on an internet forum, than have people look into whether or not they still live in a democracy. It's guys like him that made WWII possible and here the fucker is repeating history all over again.

 

[Seven]

Oh. And Trump be impeached. At which point Andy will bring out the tar and feathers probably. Footfolk like him are never reliable.

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[Ocelot]

This is actually a good article:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-interview-20161222-story.html @swag @Ocelot @GordoDeCentral

Almost stating the obvious from a post-election viewpoint

From a pre-election standpoint as well, with the crucial difference of underestimating just how many people like that existed and how weak the mobilization game of Hillary actually was.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

And while we don't get to see the classified evidence as members of the public, so we'll never truly know the extent of it, it's pretty clear Russia was involved in it. It's quite insane the lengths the Trump campaign is going to and the vehemence with which they are defending Russia and Putin here.

How is it pretty clear?

 

[Ocelot]

Well this thread hasn't exactly become any better the last few weeks...

 

[acmilan]

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[j0ker]

Will Trump continue with those retarded tweets after he gets elected?

 

[swag]

That's like asking if the guy knows when to shut up.

 

[ALC]

Will Trump continue with those retarded tweets after he gets elected?

I hope so