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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Just a quick question as I'd (perhaps wrongly) consider you more conservative leaning: did you expect Trump's and Musk's aggressiveness in dismantling entire government branches and what is your opinion on it?
I did expect it tbh both are very vindictive individuals. The govt apparatus was a big hinderance to Trump's efforts to enact his policies in his first term and I'm sure musk has his axes to grind too.

While it's hard to argue govt bloat and I do personally think we could do away with a lot govt agencies, I still don't think we should run govt like we would a business. Or that we should play favorites(israel).

Take H1B for example, from a business standpoint it does make sense, you bring in a quasi slave class that is for the most past technically apt. But you fail to take into account the cultural, social, and inflationary impact of this move and how it affects native populations.

So for me, I will give trump the benefit of the doubt for now and i will judge him once the dust settles and we get a good sense of what has been accomplished. And I know that's hard to do for a neutral, considering all the vitriol and histrionics.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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I did expect it tbh both are very vindictive individuals. The govt apparatus was a big hinderance to Trump's efforts to enact his policies in his first term and I'm sure musk has his axes to grind too.

While it's hard to argue govt bloat and I do personally think we could do away with a lot govt agencies, I still don't think we should run govt like we would a business. Or that we should play favorites(israel).

Take H1B for example, from a business standpoint it does make sense, you bring in a quasi slave class that is for the most past technically apt. But you fail to take into account the cultural, social, and inflationary impact of this move and how it affects native populations.

So for me, I will give trump the benefit of the doubt for now and i will judge him once the dust settles and we get a good sense of what has been accomplished. And I know that's hard to do for a neutral, considering all the vitriol and histrionics.

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trump is affecting my wealth. i will not wait for the dust to settle like you say. i want him out now
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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trump is affecting my wealth. i will not wait for the dust to settle like you say. i want him out now
I still remember Trump fans talking about how great he was for their 401Ks in his first term. They have gone completely silent on this in Trump 2.0.

It’s pretty obvious what’s happening here. A massive wealth transfer from the middle class (and any poors who can afford to invest a little) to the rich. Trump and his billionaire buddies tank the market, the average person panic sells on the way down to preserve capital, and the wealthy buy it all at bottom and aside from the lucky few market timers who guessed right, everyone else gets financially wrecked.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Trump admin is revoking the green card of someone who spoke out against the Israel war on Palestine. More of that to come most likely.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/10/nx-s1-5323166/arrest-green-card-palestinian-protest

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Goodbye freedom of speech. Any protest can be deemed illegal in the blink of an eye and speaking out against Israel is called terrorism :lol:

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@Nomuken at least no one will be allowed to hate the Jews anymore
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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Trump admin is revoking the green card of someone who spoke out against the Israel war on Palestine. More of that to come most likely.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/10/nx-s1-5323166/arrest-green-card-palestinian-protest

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Goodbye freedom of speech. Any protest can be deemed illegal in the blink of an eye and speaking out against Israel is called terrorism :lol:

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@Nomuken at least no one will be allowed to hate the Jews anymore
autocracy here we go

and jd has the audacity to lecture eu leaders on free speech :lol3:
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
I still remember Trump fans talking about how great he was for their 401Ks in his first term. They have gone completely silent on this in Trump 2.0.

It’s pretty obvious what’s happening here. A massive wealth transfer from the middle class (and any poors who can afford to invest a little) to the rich. Trump and his billionaire buddies tank the market, the average person panic sells on the way down to preserve capital, and the wealthy buy it all at bottom and aside from the lucky few market timers who guessed right, everyone else gets financially wrecked.
I want to seee the expression of the boomer trump Americans who are retiring now and want to pull funds from their investments to retire. Leopards eating their faces lol
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Trump admin is revoking the green card of someone who spoke out against the Israel war on Palestine. More of that to come most likely.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/10/nx-s1-5323166/arrest-green-card-palestinian-protest

- - - Updated - - -

Goodbye freedom of speech. Any protest can be deemed illegal in the blink of an eye and speaking out against Israel is called terrorism :lol:

- - - Updated - - -

@Nomuken at least no one will be allowed to hate the Jews anymore
I distinctly remember his fans saying he was anti-establishment on Israel in here :lol:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I did expect it tbh both are very vindictive individuals. The govt apparatus was a big hinderance to Trump's efforts to enact his policies in his first term and I'm sure musk has his axes to grind too.

While it's hard to argue govt bloat and I do personally think we could do away with a lot govt agencies, I still don't think we should run govt like we would a business. Or that we should play favorites(israel).

Take H1B for example, from a business standpoint it does make sense, you bring in a quasi slave class that is for the most past technically apt. But you fail to take into account the cultural, social, and inflationary impact of this move and how it affects native populations.

So for me, I will give trump the benefit of the doubt for now and i will judge him once the dust settles and we get a good sense of what has been accomplished. And I know that's hard to do for a neutral, considering all the vitriol and histrionics.
So you’re giving the benefit of the doubt to billionaires who have “axes to grind” against the people of this country? Wow, you’re in for a rude awakening.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
At least we know Republicans are no longer the party of free speech. I think they hate the first amendment and will probably try to get rid of it. Israel’s orders.
They were never party of free speech. What they meant to say is whatever they say is allowed with no consequence but no one is allowed to protest against them. Classic facist ideology. It was all about control for them.
 

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