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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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He's not wrong.

In fact, the Sacklers should be given a medal of honor for helping avert a Medicare and Social Security crisis in America.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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He's not wrong.

In fact, the Sacklers should be given a medal of honor for helping avert a Medicare and Social Security crisis in America.

From an accounting perspective it makes sense.

And actually it's not just him, it's the entire premisse of the meeting that is brutal: "Expert witnesses were testifying about the long-term harm child abuse has to the economy, to the workforce and to taxpayers, when children who face abuse, and the adults they grow up to be, rely on the government.".

So rather than say we cannot as a society accept any form of child abuse because it is morally wrong, they had to have people testify about which financial harm could come to society if we didn't prevent it. As if the financial argument is the only relevant one. If it is, if that's the way we want to look at these things, you have to consider the fact child abuse might bring about financial benefits. E.g. if a child dies and no longer has to rely on benefits.

People are quick to jump on this guy (and he does indeed seem pretty awful), but maybe it would be better to consider their own mindset.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,750
From an accounting perspective it makes sense.

And actually it's not just him, it's the entire premisse of the meeting that is brutal: "Expert witnesses were testifying about the long-term harm child abuse has to the economy, to the workforce and to taxpayers, when children who face abuse, and the adults they grow up to be, rely on the government.".

So rather than say we cannot as a society accept any form of child abuse because it is morally wrong, they had to have people testify about which financial harm could come to society if we didn't prevent it. As if the financial argument is the only relevant one. If it is, if that's the way we want to look at these things, you have to consider the fact child abuse might bring about financial benefits. E.g. if a child dies and no longer has to rely on benefits.

People are quick to jump on this guy (and he does indeed seem pretty awful), but maybe it would be better to consider their own mindset.
Yep. You know you're cleaning toilets with your tongue when your culture is telling you that your morals are up for sale.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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:agree:

Who is doing the educating and who raised these young people to be so pathetic, entitled, and completely unable to deal with sort of adversity and hardship in life.

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Did you see the Roald Dahl censorship controversy? The man was a racist, bigoted scumbag, but all the same he wrote wonderful children’s literature.

And now this: https://www.city-journal.org/bowdlerizing-roald-dahl

Literally the most insane book rewrite censorship ever. They took out words like men, mother, father, etc to be more “inclusive” lol.

Mummy’s dressing table” has become “the dressing table,” and “father’s toolshed” has become “the toolshed,” to avoid any suggestion that mummies and daddies just might have different tastes or priorities. “Maybe that will brighten up those horrid brown teeth of hers” is now “Maybe that would brighten up her smile,” to avoid the dreadful sin of aesthetic preference. “Waving her fat arms” becomes “Waving her arms” to avoid the judgment that fatness in arms is not attractive. “Ladies and gentlemen” becomes “folks.”

These people are insane :lol2:

From another article on it:

The word "black" was removed from the description of the terrible tractors in 1970s The Fabulous Mr. Fox. The machines are now simply "murderous, brutal-looking monsters."

Wat? :lol2:
This is actually insane.

But I still believe it's just a phase that the Western societies are going through and that it will pass very soon.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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Lori Lightfoot has lost her bid for reelection as Chicago's mayor, it's now between Paul Vallas (right of Lightfoot) and Brandon Johnson (left of Lightfoot). Will be interesting to see how it plays out and may signal a broader attitude shift on how Democrat candidates will look to handle crime.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,784
Are they tough on crime candidates?
I don't know all that much about them to be honest. I do I know that Vallas has the endorsement of the FOP while Johnson instead wants to redirect money from the police department to other community services, aka "defund the police" without saying it. From my understanding it's both sides of the spectrum on this matter against each other.

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Aren't @GordoDeCentral and @Bjerknes from Chicago?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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I don't know all that much about them to be honest. I do I know that Vallas has the endorsement of the FOP while Johnson instead wants to redirect money from the police department to other community services, aka "defund the police" without saying it. From my understanding it's both sides of the spectrum on this matter against each other.

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Aren't @GordoDeCentral and @Bjerknes from Chicago?
Yes Andy is the biggest chicagoan there is :D but yes your assessment of both candidates is correct, not that there's any hope for chicago anyway.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I don't know all that much about them to be honest. I do I know that Vallas has the endorsement of the FOP while Johnson instead wants to redirect money from the police department to other community services, aka "defund the police" without saying it. From my understanding it's both sides of the spectrum on this matter against each other.

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Aren't @GordoDeCentral and @Bjerknes from Chicago?
Aw hell nah, I got family in the Detroit area.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
I don't know all that much about them to be honest. I do I know that Vallas has the endorsement of the FOP while Johnson instead wants to redirect money from the police department to other community services, aka "defund the police" without saying it. From my understanding it's both sides of the spectrum on this matter against each other.

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Aren't @GordoDeCentral and @Bjerknes from Chicago?
Philly tried the defund thing and it’s been a mess. Not like the cops there have been good at any point but crime is insane
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,750
I don't know all that much about them to be honest. I do I know that Vallas has the endorsement of the FOP while Johnson instead wants to redirect money from the police department to other community services, aka "defund the police" without saying it. From my understanding it's both sides of the spectrum on this matter against each other.

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Aren't @GordoDeCentral and @Bjerknes from Chicago?
Yeah, that split is gonna be a nice city divider. (And you may have meant me instead of Andy as a Chi-CAW-goh native.)

But as Deneb sez, it's all for nothing anyway. That city already sold its soul to Bally's and the electronic poker lobby to keep the extortionist debt collectors at bay from breaking the mayor's legs. It ain't trending well.
 

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