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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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And that’s the people talking about section 230 smh
Bro, don’t ya know. Businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone on any grounds.

GOP: How dare you make wedding cake companies offer their service for gay marriages! :angrymob:

Also GOP: How dare social media companies ban people for repeatedly violating their rules. :angrymob:

Hypocrisy 101. Apparently the party of “businesses should be able to do whatever they want and government should butt out” only believes this when businesses are discriminating against all the groups they dislike. :lol3:
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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This is beside the fact that this isn't even a free speech issue. The government is not silencing a citizen here. A business is making decisions in its own interest ... it has no law binding it to convey any personal opinions it doesn't want to convey.
You made a strong post and I agree with much of what you said, but I have to disagree here.

Twitter is so big that it provides a platform for public figures to reach their audience. If they can just unilaterallly decide to block certain politicians, they would have real power over how the freedom of speech of said politician is exercised, in effect they'd strongly diminish it.

The main reason they are right here is that they have decided to suspend an account during a time of dramatic uproar, during which it is an understandable safety precaution and after the person behind that account had already lost the election.

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JuelzSantana

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Sep 28, 2017
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CNN has now pivoted completely on the police and keep showing video of an officer getting crushed by a mob. They wouldn't show any video of the countless officers getting injured through the summer, but now it fits their narrative and they "stand by them". These freaks aren't even masters of propaganda because what they're doing is so obvious -- they're basically Russians meddling not only in our elections, but in every major piece of news that occurs in this country. They're basically a foreign enemy at this point.
It´s the same on both sides though, that´s the problem in America; left or right wing media, no in-between.

Fox and more conservative media are now saying that they should look for and solve the issues which led to the rioting. CNN did the same in the summer to justify their base when conservative media slaughtered those riots.

For America to unite, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, a mainstream movement of moderates has to grow. Now there´s too much focus on radical left and right, 60-70% are in the middle somewhere.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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You made a strong post and I agree with much of what you said, but I have to disagree here.

Twitter is so big that it provides a platform for public figures to reach their audience. If they can just unilaterallly decide to block certain politicians, they would have real power over how the freedom of speech of said politician is exercised, in effect they'd strongly diminish it.

The main reason they are right here is that they have decided to suspend an account during a time of dramatic uproar, during which it is an understandable safety precaution and after the person behind that account had already lost the election.

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Twitter is not a public utility. It doesn’t take funding from the government. Just because you’re a public figure doesn’t mean you are entitled to your own show on Fox News or MSNBC.

And people still don’t understand what “free speech” means according to the US first amendment. It has nothing to do with an individual’s right to promote their ideas using private businesses as a vehicle. It has everything to do with preventing government interference in the ability for someone to speak their ideas.
 
Aug 26, 2014
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What is the point you're trying to make here? What does the Cambridge analytica scandal have to do with Twitter banning Trump? Do you think there are some similarities between the two cases and if so what do you think those similarities are?
you need to make a point first.

the Facebook-Cambridge scandal had to do with people having their data used without their consent for political ads. What does that have to do with Twitter blocking trump?
I meant Facebook and censorship in general, how companies have too much power on what people get to see and that there is no free speech anymore. Google bans apps they don't like latest example Parler.

They are not governments but they should bare some responsibilities and repercussions, especially the tech giants of today.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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I meant Facebook and censorship in general, how companies have too much power on what people get to see and that there is no free speech anymore. Google bans apps they don't like latest example Parler.

They are not governments but they should bare some responsibilities and repercussions, especially the tech giants of today.
first of all, that’s not true. At least not in America.

second of all, you’re just going around in circles. They’re private companies, that’s all that matters. If people aren’t happy with the way they operate, they can stop using them.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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first of all, that’s not true. At least not in America.

second of all, you’re just going around in circles. They’re private companies, that’s all that matters. If people aren’t happy with the way they operate, they can stop using them.
GOP seems to have a really tough time getting their story straight on whether they want individuals and businesses to be able to do whatever the fuck they want without government interference. They flip back and forth on this so often I’m surprised they don’t get whiplash.

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In other news. Impeachment articles being brought against Trump in the house on Monday. And democratic lawmakers bringing resolution to abolish electoral college and elect the President based on popular vote. Which is what some GOP lawmakers voiced concern over as to others lying and pushing misinformation to dispute Biden’s electoral college win. Electoral college is the only reason GOP is even competitive in Presidential elections for the past 30 years.

Conservative whining and tears gonna be like a biblical flood next week. :lol2:
 
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Aug 26, 2014
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first of all, that’s not true. At least not in America.

second of all, you’re just going around in circles. They’re private companies, that’s all that matters. If people aren’t happy with the way they operate, they can stop using them.
Well it's slowly becoming true even in America. Money is all there is look at what happened with the NBA thats one example there are many more. Americans talk a lot about free speech unless there is money involved.

Second of all you try to go without Google, Facebook, Amazon etc. that means you can't work or function like a normal person.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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Theres an MSNBC footage showing there were some rioters with handcuffs, they wanted to take hostages. They also wanted to hang Mike Pence for real for being a traitor
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Twitter is not a public utility. It doesn’t take funding from the government. Just because you’re a public figure doesn’t mean you are entitled to your own show on Fox News or MSNBC.

And people still don’t understand what “free speech” means according to the US first amendment. It has nothing to do with an individual’s right to promote their ideas using private businesses as a vehicle. It has everything to do with preventing government interference in the ability for someone to speak their ideas.
It's a matter of business ethics more so than the first amendment. Banning certain conservatives from the platform goes directly against their mission statement, which is partly why it's unethical. Just like not serving someone because they're gay or black.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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The irony of right wingers complaining always crying about "muh guns", "muh freedom of speech" "muh private property" but they cry even more when a company exercises its rights.

What bunch of commie scum.
Also wassup with imposing Christian beliefs on everyone? That's definitely against the first amendment.
And the draconian drug laws go completely against personal liberty.
It's easier to get a gun in this country than it is to get affordable medication. Let that sink in.
 

Fab Fragment

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Dec 22, 2018
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As long as all the special interest groups continue to fund both sides of the aisle, we'll continue to be taken for suckers. We the sheeple, continue to fight each other like dumb animals while a select few people continue to get away with all sort of nonsense.
The politicians on both sides are funded by these groups. Very few are honest.
Notice that the media on both sides continues to spew divisive hatred.
Keep us divided. That's what these special interest groups want: 70-80 million souls on both sides essentially cancelling each other out. Imagine if the whole population was on the same page.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Parler booted by Amazon now. :lol:

Good riddance truthfully. An unmoderated cesspit filled with nut jobs advocating and encouraging race war, civil war, insurrection, mass murder and genocide, executing politicians, activists, and media members, etc.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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first of all, that’s not true. At least not in America.

second of all, you’re just going around in circles. They’re private companies, that’s all that matters. If people aren’t happy with the way they operate, they can stop using them.
You could make the argument then that Zuckerberg violated free speech the moment they switched the news feed from chronological to the Facebook news algorithm. Technically, you could see that as a form of censorship: your voice is hidden based on a relevancy algorithm.

The Whigs needed a counter to The Squad. The Death Squad has a nice ring to it.

It's a matter of business ethics more so than the first amendment. Banning certain conservatives from the platform goes directly against their mission statement, which is partly why it's unethical. Just like not serving someone because they're gay or black.
It's business. Meaning fook ethics ... it's probably more about liability and lawsuits. Whether from the pullout of advertisers who inspire their Board of Directors to act ... or legal liabilities so they can CYA of being sued the moment someone with a dead loved one lawyers up against them.

It bothers me that some conservatives are far more likely to be banned from platforms like this. But it also makes me look beyond the convenient tropes of "liberal media bias" on this and ask questions of, "Is there something uniquely conservative-leaning in what triggers these objections?"

There are certainly threats of murder and mayhem from the left. But for some reason it's disproportionately either not being called out for bans (probably partially true but not entirely) and/or not proportionately not coming out of the mouths of legislators and pundits like it is from their conservative counterparts. Is that because we tend to notice the platforms of more conservative counterparts as they have a much greater following than their liberal equivalents? Ilhan Omar draws plenty of controversy for example, but she's not known for calling for violence per se.

Or maybe more because conservatives are less likely than liberals to call for the ban of speech? There's probably a little truth to that.

But then where do you draw that line? I think with many conservatives all that "storm the Capitol" talk was fun and games until sh*t got real and people were killed -- exploiting that offside rule line between puffed-up hyperbole on a keyboard and life-and-death seriousness with guns. And to the extent you believe in individual accountability at the expense of the collective, it's not surprising that many see no culpability between inciting a riot and participating in one. But some do now.

There are crazy people out there who do not know the line between war talk and war. It's been a long time since we've had big stories about religious or military cults, but make no mistake: there is a really big cult out there right now. With an infallible leader who can do no wrong in their eyes while exploiting them for personal selfish gain. And the rabid belief in falsehoods and conspiracies. Without this, without QAnon, you might argue that Trump could have been re-elected.

If we don't start addressing this as a cult situation, more people are going to die needlessly and at the hands of each other. And one of the ways you sanely have to deal with a cult is to try to find separation between a cult leader and his followers. That and we need more testimonials from former cult members and we need to give lifelines to cult members to find ways to climb back into reality.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Twitter is not a public utility. It doesn’t take funding from the government. Just because you’re a public figure doesn’t mean you are entitled to your own show on Fox News or MSNBC.

And people still don’t understand what “free speech” means according to the US first amendment. It has nothing to do with an individual’s right to promote their ideas using private businesses as a vehicle. It has everything to do with preventing government interference in the ability for someone to speak their ideas.
That's a false analogy. NBC doesn't provide everyone with a platform. Twitter does.

Andy makes a good point. This is no different from refusing to serve black people. Just because you're a private business, that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.

In this case though they have their reasons and I'm very confident any court would decide that a private business is entitled to exclude users from their platform if it believes the platform is used to incite violence.

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ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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That's a false analogy. NBC doesn't provide everyone with a platform. Twitter does.

Andy makes a good point. This is no different from refusing to serve black people. Just because you're a private business, that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.

In this case though they have their reasons and I'm very confident any court would decide that a private business is entitled to exclude users from their platform if it believes the platform is used to incite violence.

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it is different tho. One would be a blanket ban on a demographic based on something they can’t control. The other is more like a restaurant not letting you in because you refuse to wear pants. So many false equivalencies.
 

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