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Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
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As far as I know, the first issue about the voting data was incompetence by some low-rank campaign staff guy, who's been dismissed shortly after that story broke. Plus no real Clinton voter data was actually taken from the database, they (aka one guy from Sander's staff) just accessed the database. Which, again, is pretty incompetent but only marginally ethically reprehensible and has nothing to do with Sander's personal integrity. I actually found the DNC's reaction much more appaling.

Don't know about the Nevada stuff tbh.

And I've just watched the New Hampshire ad, to me it's pretty clear that the Telegraph and that other second paper doesn't endorse Sanders per se, I mean the large "Endorsed by" box is pretty obviously removed imo. Maybe it could've been better, but that's no scandal whatsoever.

All in all, with a huge number of people involved in your campaign, you ineviteble get some guys that try to bend the rules, or simply do not realise that what they are doing is wrong or forbidden. Clinton supporters for example pulled some very sketchy $#@! at one or two Iowa caucuses concerning vote recounts, something much more serious.

And in terms of political integrity, in terms of how steadfest and long-lasting their stance on political, social, economic issues have been, Sanders is simply miles ahead of Hillary.

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Also, that Rubio rumour really seems like pure BS.
That is the point. There is no doubt that he is likable and Hillary is not. That's why attacking his campaign's integrity can potentially be damaging. I think that's why Hillary complained bitterly and loudly about "artful smear" last night. Basically saying "look I'm not likable but this guy here is now who he says he is".
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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That is the point. There is no doubt that he is likable and Hillary is not. That's why attacking his campaign's integrity can potentially be damaging. I think that's why Hillary complained bitterly and loudly about "artful smear" last night. Basically saying "look I'm not likable but this guy here is now who he says he is".
But these attacks barely, if at all, touch Bernie's personal integrity, and they sure as hell don't touch his political integrity.

I mean I guess it might not be a bad strategy by Clinton and it could work. But it really shouldn't.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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But these attacks barely, if at all, touch Bernie's personal integrity, and they sure as hell don't touch his political integrity.

I mean I guess it might not be a bad strategy by Clinton and it could work. But it really shouldn't.

Clinton is losing and she knows it. She just has to try something. I don't believe in 'momentum' and the daily show was right to ridicule it, but I think no one really wants Hillary Clinton as president. No matter what she does or says, you can't bring yourself to like or trust her. When it comes down to it, that'll make people vote for someone else.

Sanders seems the obvious choice, but his age really worries me tbh.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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But these attacks barely, if at all, touch Bernie's personal integrity, and they sure as hell don't touch his political integrity.

I mean I guess it might not be a bad strategy by Clinton and it could work. But it really shouldn't.
tbh I don't know. If it's serious enough for a debate moderator, it might be important for primary voters too.
Don't forget that Sanders base is mostly branded as young college kids.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Clinton is losing and she knows it. She just has to try something. I don't believe in 'momentum' and the daily show was right to ridicule it, but I think no one really wants Hillary Clinton as president. No matter what she does or says, you can't bring yourself to like or trust her. When it comes down to it, that'll make people vote for someone else.

Sanders seems the obvious choice, but his age really worries me tbh.
Watching that right now :D

But of course momentum matters a lot in these primaries. And there are a lot of people who want Hillary as president, I actually have no idea how you come to that conclusion :D

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tbh I don't know. If it's serious enough for a debate moderator, it might be important for primary voters too.
Don't forget that Sanders base is mostly branded as young college kids.
It could be important, yes, that's what I meant in my previous post. But in a perfect world, and with a smart electorate, it should not matter.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Watching that right now :D

But of course momentum matters a lot in these primaries. And there are a lot of people who want Hillary as president, I actually have no idea how you come to that conclusion :D
There are a lot of people who say they do, yes. Until they actually have to vote for her. I bet she doesn't win if she's the democratic candidate.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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There are a lot of people who say they do, yes. Until they actually have to vote for her. I bet she doesn't win if she's the democratic candidate.
It totally depends on who GOP nominee is. Her fav/unfav rating is at -10% ,while Cruz's is -15% and Trump is at -17%. Rubio stands in -3%.
And if you think momentum is not important read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/quinnipiac-poll-clinton-sanders-2016/

If this poll would not prove to be an outlier, it means that Clinton's 18 point lead is almost wiped out overnight. He's now virtually tied with Bernie.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
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I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a fucking retard now.
:touched::lol:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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This is what's completely wrong with your thinking. 'Socialist' isn't a curse word. It isn't insulting. Socialism is a perfectly fine ideology. It's not right to say 'Socialism is bad... mmmkay?'. And Sanders barely qualifies as a socialist anyway. But if you're going to hate this guy, at least have the decency to go beyond this 'socialism' thing. It makes America look stupid when Americans bring it up.

As for who you'd vote for.. To be honest I agee with you that it is almost impossible to pick someone. None of the candidates are particularly appealing.
But I'm not a socialist. Why would I vote for one? It's like you going out to buy an Inter jersey or something.

1. That's a completely unnecessary personal attack on his character that so far has not been proven at all.
2. It has nothing to do with whether or not he might be qualified to do his job as a politician.
3. It's rather worrying that you, someone who is arguably above average in terms of intelligence, is persuaded by stuff like this.

His voting record.. Now that's something you can hold against him.
:lol:

Gee, I say one thing and you take that ball and run!

I didn't say I was persuaded by it. I really couldn't care less. It was used as an example of how inane our situation is. You read too much into things. Now fucking apologize, fudge packer.

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Alex jones also believes Sandy Hook shooting was staged, moon landing was fake and 9/11 was an inside job.
A lot of that isn't true.
 

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