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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,916
Oh noeeeees!!! Your hero, @Bjerknes?
Not a hero, just the best candidate of the group. To demonstrate how moronic Iowans and other Americans are, Ted Cruz basically stole half of Rand's talking points, then flip-flopped on half of those, and yet he's still winning caucuses and could be the nominee. I was hoping for a miracle for the guy, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. Not surprising for a country that prides itself in "rocking the vote" without demonstrating any semblance of critical thinking capability.

Maybe I will end up voting for Bernie if he attempts to take down the Fed and just to spite the moronic Republicans.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,783
Not a hero, just the best candidate of the group. To demonstrate how moronic Iowans and other Americans are, Ted Cruz basically stole half of Rand's talking points, then flip-flopped on half of those, and yet he's still winning caucuses and could be the nominee. I was hoping for a miracle for the guy, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. Not surprising for a country that prides itself in "rocking the vote" without demonstrating any semblance of critical thinking capability.

Maybe I will end up voting for Bernie if he attempts to take down the Fed and just to spite the moronic Republicans.
He's really the only logical choice left. Some guy told me he's going to maybe vote for Trump now that Rand is out. How the fuck does that even make sense? They're polar opposites in so many aspects.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,916
He's really the only logical choice left. Some guy told me he's going to maybe vote for Trump now that Rand is out. How the $#@! does that even make sense? They're polar opposites in so many aspects.
I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a fucking retard now.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,783
I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a fucking retard now.
:rofl: What the fuck, man. Didn't hear the Rubio thing, but at this point wouldn't surprise me. Out of the major candidates, who would you actually support then? Just curious.
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
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I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a $#@!ing retard now.
Any source on Rubio thing?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,916
:rofl: What the $#@!, man. Didn't hear the Rubio thing, but at this point wouldn't surprise me. Out of the major candidates, who would you actually support then? Just curious.
Don't know, probably nobody. Can't really stomach anyone. Sanders would be somewhat tolerable if he wasn't such a socialist.

Any source on Rubio thing?
Not really, heard it on a radio show program from a Washington insider. There might be some rumors out there on the internet now, but apparently there is more to come out. That would be great since Rubio is really anti-gay.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a fucking retard now.
:lol:
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
20,862
I doubt his base care even a bit. I don't think New Hampshire voters care that much either.

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Maddow asked a question that can do real damage to Sanders, basically saying "you're calling for integrity, how come all of this bad behavior is coming from your campaign and not Clinton's".
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,783
I disagree. Personally, I've barely even heard of Sanders campaign scandals. But I can certainly say that when so many voters are unjustifiably afraid of their own shadow he's going to have to do better when discussing foreign policy.

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And also lets not forget that Hillary's scandals are far bigger, garnering more media attention.
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
20,862
I don't know. No doubt independent voters care about foreign policy. Sanders base (young college kids) seem to be interested in populist part of his message

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His scandals are much less important than Hillary's but his persona as a man of cgaracter and integrity might take a hit since this is his strength. Imagine trump employing 10 illegal immigrants as dinestic servants. A little exaggerated but you get my point
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,315
Don't know, probably nobody. Can't really stomach anyone. Sanders would be somewhat tolerable if he wasn't such a socialist.
This is what's completely wrong with your thinking. 'Socialist' isn't a curse word. It isn't insulting. Socialism is a perfectly fine ideology. It's not right to say 'Socialism is bad... mmmkay?'. And Sanders barely qualifies as a socialist anyway. But if you're going to hate this guy, at least have the decency to go beyond this 'socialism' thing. It makes America look stupid when Americans bring it up.

As for who you'd vote for.. To be honest I agee with you that it is almost impossible to pick someone. None of the candidates are particularly appealing.

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I was being facetious for the most part. People are dolts. I know hardcore Democrats that will vote for Hillary no matter what and call Bernie supporters " demented and crazy" -- as if they are a sane and logical bunch, voting for that skank. Now I'm hearing that Rubio has a lot of experience with male prostitutes. Cruz pulled a Clinton and basically stole votes from Carson. Libertarians supporting Trump when he's always advocated staunch police state mechanisms. Everybody is basically a fucking retard now.
1. That's a completely unnecessary personal attack on his character that so far has not been proven at all.
2. It has nothing to do with whether or not he might be qualified to do his job as a politician.
3. It's rather worrying that you, someone who is arguably above average in terms of intelligence, is persuaded by stuff like this.

His voting record.. Now that's something you can hold against him.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
Maddow asked a question that can do real damage to Sanders, basically saying "you're calling for integrity, how come all of this bad behavior is coming from your campaign and not Clinton's".
What bad behaviour?

1. That's a completely unnecessary personal attack on his character that so far has not been proven at all.
2. It has nothing to do with whether or not he might be qualified to do his job as a politician.
3. It's rather worrying that you, someone who is arguably above average in terms of intelligence, is persuaded by stuff like this.

His voting record.. Now that's something you can hold against him.
Very true.

But IF that rumour turns out to be true, it would make Rubio's anti-gay stance not only hateful & discriminatory, but also extremely hypocritical.
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
20,862
What bad behaviour?
She cited 3 things: a Sanders staffer getting (unethically) voter data from Clinton's campaign, Sanders people posing as union leaders in Nevada, and a TV ad in NH implying Sanders is endorsed by a certain paper which is not true.
She said none of these are the end of the world but are you losing control of your people?

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That Rubio rumor is apparently started in Alex Jones radio show. It is based on this fact that Rubio was arrested in a park when he was 18 for drinking beer on publc property. Now they say that park was a pickup place for male prostitutes and the rest is just made up.
Alex jones also believes Sandy Hook shooting was staged, moon landing was fake and 9/11 was an inside job.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
She cited 3 things: a Sanders staffer getting (unethically) voter data from Clinton's campaign, Sanders people posing as union leaders in Nevada, and a TV ad in NH implying Sanders is endorsed by a certain paper which is not true.
She said none of these are the end of the world but are you losing control of your people?

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That Rubio rumor is apparently started in Alex Jones radio show. It is based on this fact that Rubio was arrested in a park when he was 18 for drinking beer on publc property. Now they say that park was a pickup place for male prostitutes and the rest is just made up.
Alex jones also believes Sandy Hook shooting was staged, moon landing was fake and 9/11 was an inside job.
As far as I know, the first issue about the voting data was incompetence by some low-rank campaign staff guy, who's been dismissed shortly after that story broke. Plus no real Clinton voter data was actually taken from the database, they (aka one guy from Sander's staff) just accessed the database. Which, again, is pretty incompetent but only marginally ethically reprehensible and has nothing to do with Sander's personal integrity. I actually found the DNC's reaction much more appaling.

Don't know about the Nevada stuff tbh.

And I've just watched the New Hampshire ad, to me it's pretty clear that the Telegraph and that other second paper doesn't endorse Sanders per se, I mean the large "Endorsed by" box is pretty obviously removed imo. Maybe it could've been better, but that's no scandal whatsoever.

All in all, with a huge number of people involved in your campaign, you ineviteble get some guys that try to bend the rules, or simply do not realise that what they are doing is wrong or forbidden. Clinton supporters for example pulled some very sketchy shit at one or two Iowa caucuses concerning vote recounts, something much more serious.

And in terms of political integrity, in terms of how steadfest and long-lasting their stance on political, social, economic issues have been, Sanders is simply miles ahead of Hillary.

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Also, that Rubio rumour really seems like pure BS.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
She cited 3 things: a Sanders staffer getting (unethically) voter data from Clinton's campaign, Sanders people posing as union leaders in Nevada, and a TV ad in NH implying Sanders is endorsed by a certain paper which is not true.
She said none of these are the end of the world but are you losing control of your people?
Jesus said it best:

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
aka.

let him who is without sin cast the first stone
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And in terms of political integrity, in terms of how steadfest and long-lasting their stance on political, social, economic issues have been, Sanders is simply miles ahead of Hillary.
That is key. "Political integrity" is much mopre important than personal. Mitterand is a prime example. Heck to some extent good ol' BIlly Bill.

But obviously that's an academic exercise whereas personal stuff is just gossip.
 

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