Mumbai Shootings (23 Viewers)

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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What's amusing is that people actually think nobody had prior knowledge to the attacks besides "Al Qaeda".


:lol2: Give me a break. God, some people are just sheep. I'm sure that's just a "coincidence."

Look at all these technical indicators telling people to sell American Airlines stock.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;sourc e=undefined

:lol2:

Remind me to call up my Al Qaeda stock broker tomorrow.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
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Who trained you? What program did you follow? What intelligence do you have to prove black on white that the US government had nothing to do with it? Let's face facts here, all you have is statements from that government. You have absolutely nothing to go on.

How likely is that government officials would destroy or alter records of what happened that day if they really don't have anything to hide?
and what evidence do YOU have to go on that the government of the USA was involved in the 9/11 attacks ??

The answer that you, Martin, and Andy have is ZERO evidence

you can speculate all you'd like, but until you get some credible evidence to prove otherwise, I think its best to keep your opinions to yourselves
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Seven, I kinda think you lost this battle of wits to Vinman here. The burden of evidence is in the proof, not in the disproving, because the former is possible and the latter is ridiculously impossible. The best investigative minds in the world cannot even disprove that Santa Claus exists. :santa:

So as a logical argument, the lack-of-evidence-to-disprove line of thinking is complete vapor. It's a red herring that has zero inherent value in its statement. Your argument may as well have been, "I like chocolate!" It would have carried the same critical weight.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
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and what evidence do YOU have to go on that the government of the USA was involved in the 9/11 attacks ??

The answer that you, Martin, and Andy have is ZERO evidence

you can speculate all you'd like, but until you get some credible evidence to prove otherwise, I think its best to keep your opinions to yourselves
But isn't the situation symmetrical? Seven asked what evidence you have to be so sure and you didn't answer. Is it the case that you're sitting on evidence and we have none?
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
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Seven, I kinda think you lost this battle of wits to Vinman here. The burden of evidence is in the proof, not in the disproving, because the former is possible and the latter is ridiculously impossible. The best investigative minds in the world cannot even disprove that Santa Claus exists. :santa:
Wrong. And it's unlike you to mess up like this :p

See, what we're saying is that the original "evidence" presented to back the official story isn't convincing. Either because it's incomplete, manufactured or has been tampered with. In order for you to say that we have to present evidence to disprove a supposedly established fact, this fact must first be established by consensus. A consensus we do not enter into. So we're still at square one here, something happened and we don't know what.

Orwell fail :p
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,008
Seven, I kinda think you lost this battle of wits to Vinman here. The burden of evidence is in the proof, not in the disproving, because the former is possible and the latter is ridiculously impossible. The best investigative minds in the world cannot even disprove that Santa Claus exists. :santa:

So as a logical argument, the lack-of-evidence-to-disprove line of thinking is complete vapor. It's a red herring that has zero inherent value in its statement. Your argument may as well have been, "I like chocolate!" It would have carried the same critical weight.
Wrong. And it's unlike you to mess up like this :p

See, what we're saying is that the original "evidence" presented to back the official story isn't convincing. Either because it's incomplete, manufactured or has been tampered with. In order for you to say that we have to present evidence to disprove a supposedly established fact, this fact must first be established by consensus. A consensus we do not enter into. So we're still at square one here, something happened and we don't know what.

Orwell fail :p
Exactly, Martin.

But once again, media and government reports somehow manage to have the upper-hand in the credibility debate. It's like people are screaming, "HEY, we can't be lied to all the time!"
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
Wrong. And it's unlike you to mess up like this :p

See, what we're saying is that the original "evidence" presented to back the official story isn't convincing. Either because it's incomplete, manufactured or has been tampered with. In order for you to say that we have to present evidence to disprove a supposedly established fact, this fact must first be established by consensus. A consensus we do not enter into. So we're still at square one here, something happened and we don't know what.

Orwell fail :p
Seven's challenge to Vinman was to to show evidence proving the U.S. government wasn't involved -- not that the story as proposed by the U.S. government was convincing or not.

The former is a burden-of-disproof scenario, and it is therefore meaningless. The latter is a lot closer to a burden-of-proof argument. But if a proposed answer fails the litmus test for the latter, that doesn't suggest nor imply the former. There's the incorrect leap of faith that's once again common to the "I can't explain quantum entanglement, therefore God exists" argument.
 

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