sure ahmed, just prove it. its that simple. its soooo easy to sit there and make outrageous claims yet not furnish anything to prove those claims
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that's the problem...any other theory that contradicts what has been shoved down our throats by the media and that contradicts the accepted story is blasted and ridiculed...even if proof is shown, the nay-sayers just won't believe it because like Martin said, it is too outrageous to believe that what is being told is not the truth...you'd think people would be a lot more open-minded after the "WMDs in Iraq" idea being blown out of the sky and admitted to by the US govt.!
I don't agree.
We went into Iraq due to lies from various people, from Paul Wolfowitz to the CIA director himself. The former originally claimed that Saddam was sponsoring Al Qaeda, but sure enough years after we invaded he came out to say the war was all about OIL. Ohh no, lets retract our statements to tell the truth after the damage is already done.
You see, this is why you can't trust what the government tells you. One can't trust a group of liars, Dru, especially about sensitive issues regarding 9/11.
I find it funny how people believe what the politicians tell them, devoting their entire faith into people who are not more intelligent than the common citizen, and then "cry" once everything blows up in their face. People such as McCain and Ben Bernanke have continued to tell the public that the economy is strong, along with all the drones in the media.
Now what? "Ohhh nooo, there goes my pension fund. There goes my cash that the bank isn't allowing me to take out. There goes the entire economy withering away in the midst of the new Great Depression the politicians wouldn't talk about. Ohhh nooo, we should have seen this coming."
Anybody who trusts what the United States government tells them is a blinded fool.
We went into Iraq due to lies from various people, from Paul Wolfowitz to the CIA director himself. The former originally claimed that Saddam was sponsoring Al Qaeda, but sure enough years after we invaded he came out to say the war was all about OIL. Ohh no, lets retract our statements to tell the truth after the damage is already done.
You see, this is why you can't trust what the government tells you. One can't trust a group of liars, Dru, especially about sensitive issues regarding 9/11.
I find it funny how people believe what the politicians tell them, devoting their entire faith into people who are not more intelligent than the common citizen, and then "cry" once everything blows up in their face. People such as McCain and Ben Bernanke have continued to tell the public that the economy is strong, along with all the drones in the media.
Now what? "Ohhh nooo, there goes my pension fund. There goes my cash that the bank isn't allowing me to take out. There goes the entire economy withering away in the midst of the new Great Depression the politicians wouldn't talk about. Ohhh nooo, we should have seen this coming."
Anybody who trusts what the United States government tells them is a blinded fool.
@ "Prison Planet.com"Gotta :google: for "Spread Your Cheeks and Pick Up the Soap, My Beeotch.com"
Agreed that taking everything the government tells you as truth is a bad idea.
But one worse idea has to include entrusting a Web site called "Prison Planet.com" in its place.
That's no better than the people who suggest that just because you cannot fully explain the universe, God's existence is therefore the only reasonable answer. Replacing a bad source with an even more questionable source is hardly progressive thinking here... @ "Prison Planet.com"Gotta :google: for "Spread Your Cheeks and Pick Up the Soap, My Beeotch.com"
Agreed that taking everything the government tells you as truth is a bad idea.
But one worse idea has to include entrusting a Web site called "Prison Planet.com" in its place.
That's no better than the people who suggest that just because you cannot fully explain the universe, God's existence is therefore the only reasonable answer. Replacing a bad source with an even more questionable source is hardly progressive thinking here...
I call bs. I'm not disrespecting a goddamn thing when I speculate that it was an inside job. The fact remains all the people who died were victims of a massacre, or at least that's my conviction. The difference is I say the perpetrator should be charged regardless who it is. Not "as long as it's not our government".
Whoever taught you this strategy of argument, you really need to unlearn it. It's dishonest, worthy of the PR brigade. It's the same logic that drives "you're either with us or against us" and "support the troops" and "you cannot criticize the government in a time of war". Stop playing on emotion and putting out artificial road blocks in the discussion. Arguments are arguments, and they are just as valid regardless of how you feel about them emotionally.
There is a saying that says "the truth hurts". And you're hurting, even when it's not the truth, just one of possible truths.
The firefighters of all people. How exactly am I disrespecting them? If John lit the fire instead of Bill, is it not still a fire? A firefighter puts out fires, often at personal risk, regardless of who caused it.
This argument that we're disrespecting the victims makes no rational sense whatsoever. Seriously guys, take a step back and think about it. If this had happened (again, we're just speculating here) in any other country and the citizens were saying "no, it's not possible our own leaders did this to exploit us" you would say "those people are in denial, they can't face the truth".
Whoever taught you this strategy of argument, you really need to unlearn it. It's dishonest, worthy of the PR brigade. It's the same logic that drives "you're either with us or against us" and "support the troops" and "you cannot criticize the government in a time of war". Stop playing on emotion and putting out artificial road blocks in the discussion. Arguments are arguments, and they are just as valid regardless of how you feel about them emotionally.
There is a saying that says "the truth hurts". And you're hurting, even when it's not the truth, just one of possible truths.
The firefighters of all people. How exactly am I disrespecting them? If John lit the fire instead of Bill, is it not still a fire? A firefighter puts out fires, often at personal risk, regardless of who caused it.
This argument that we're disrespecting the victims makes no rational sense whatsoever. Seriously guys, take a step back and think about it. If this had happened (again, we're just speculating here) in any other country and the citizens were saying "no, it's not possible our own leaders did this to exploit us" you would say "those people are in denial, they can't face the truth".
They can't unlearn it, Martin. This is what our culture has become - total faux patriotism. While people are raising their fists to foreign "terrorists", the people who control our financial matters are flying planes into the building blocks of our economy. Americans we are supposed to praise are destroying it right beneath our noses, and only a few people notice. Our laziness to acquire facts about almost anything regarding our nation will only make us fall harder.
It's disrespectful to the victims who died in the attacks? What a disgusting viewpoint.
If Iran would experience a similar attack, we all know what their stances would be.
It's disrespectful to the victims who died in the attacks? What a disgusting viewpoint.
If Iran would experience a similar attack, we all know what their stances would be.
Who trained you? What program did you follow? What intelligence do you have to prove black on white that the US government had nothing to do with it? Let's face facts here, all you have is statements from that government. You have absolutely nothing to go on.
How likely is that government officials would destroy or alter records of what happened that day if they really don't have anything to hide?
How likely is that government officials would destroy or alter records of what happened that day if they really don't have anything to hide?
Martin,
their sense of rationale has been destroyed over the past few years. The propaganda machine in the US has worked very well over the last 50 years or so and you can't actually expect them to think for themselves. You'd have to be one very intelligent motherfucker and unfortunately they are not all that smart. It's a very good strategy I have to say though: turning something into a taboo so that no one can question your version of the facts works like a charm.
their sense of rationale has been destroyed over the past few years. The propaganda machine in the US has worked very well over the last 50 years or so and you can't actually expect them to think for themselves. You'd have to be one very intelligent motherfucker and unfortunately they are not all that smart. It's a very good strategy I have to say though: turning something into a taboo so that no one can question your version of the facts works like a charm.
I think you're being harsh. Propaganda is very clever, as one Soviet official once said:
Even the most clever people can be fooled in a moment of weakness. Not to mention an entire population that is not prepared to realize that they are being manipulated. Nor could they accept it, it would undermine too many of the premises for their lives. If we must live in distrust of the government, how can we live peacefully? Even a person who's aware of the motives has to make peace with it somehow if he is to live a normal life.
The Germans were swayed by propaganda because it's a clever tool, not because they were idiots. We are all prone to it, who knows what the reality really is relative to some of our beliefs?
Neither are these people idiots, they are just doing the best they can with what they have. Yours and mine sources of information are different, that's the only difference.
Even the most clever people can be fooled in a moment of weakness. Not to mention an entire population that is not prepared to realize that they are being manipulated. Nor could they accept it, it would undermine too many of the premises for their lives. If we must live in distrust of the government, how can we live peacefully? Even a person who's aware of the motives has to make peace with it somehow if he is to live a normal life.
The Germans were swayed by propaganda because it's a clever tool, not because they were idiots. We are all prone to it, who knows what the reality really is relative to some of our beliefs?
Neither are these people idiots, they are just doing the best they can with what they have. Yours and mine sources of information are different, that's the only difference.
The difference is that the Germans didn't know about propaganda as such. We however live in an era where we know all too well what propaganda means. All of us know how it is carried out. Furthermore Americans always find it quite hilarious to make fun of Russians and their propaganda, so you'd expect them to be a wee bit more distrustful. No, they're idiots, Martin, I'm not being harsh.
Well, the fundamental ignorance about even the most basic of statistics shown in this front-page article, for example:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cold-is-the-new-warm.html
informed me immediately that I was dealing with someone too vapid to be worth my listening time.
If I am going to entertain the possibility that someone may be correct and is worth my attention, I'd first like to believe that they don't cry "exposé!" based on their sixth-grade math education.
It's really easy to insinuate the world operates by mysterious conspiracies when you leverage a sixth-grade education about it works. That's the same motivation behind what first invented religion, after all. :frown:
.e.g.: "All over the world, people continually report losing one of a pair of socks. All the time. And curiously enough, this often seems to happen around the use of a clothes dryer. And when researching clothes dryers, we discovered that they are one of the only major appliances you cannot buy as 'Energy Star'. Now why is that? Could these devices be using spare socks for energy, to keep the textile industry in business??"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cold-is-the-new-warm.html
informed me immediately that I was dealing with someone too vapid to be worth my listening time.
If I am going to entertain the possibility that someone may be correct and is worth my attention, I'd first like to believe that they don't cry "exposé!" based on their sixth-grade math education.
It's really easy to insinuate the world operates by mysterious conspiracies when you leverage a sixth-grade education about it works. That's the same motivation behind what first invented religion, after all. :frown:
.e.g.: "All over the world, people continually report losing one of a pair of socks. All the time. And curiously enough, this often seems to happen around the use of a clothes dryer. And when researching clothes dryers, we discovered that they are one of the only major appliances you cannot buy as 'Energy Star'. Now why is that? Could these devices be using spare socks for energy, to keep the textile industry in business??"
