Moving Juventus out of Turin in 1906 (1 Viewer)

[Geof]

Formed by dissident Juventus supporters in 1906, Toro are known to be the club of those born and bred in the city of Turin. Juventus is moreover supported by the immigrant workers from Italy's south, who arrived in the city to work for FIAT. It was obvious for them to support Juventus as the club is highly supported by the FIAT founders, the Agnelli family.

http://www.footballderbies.com/honours/index.php?id=39

Can someone confirm this to be true?

True. One must realise that the Agnellis were seen as a sort of royal family in Italy in the sixties. They where the leading industrialists who managed to rebuild a postwar economy, and FIAT, based in Turin, was the most important company of Italy for a whole period.

A lot of poor southern Italians emigrated to the coal mines in Germany and Belgium (where there are still big Italian communities), or to the US, and so on, others found jobs at FIAT in Turin.

This explains why the original torinese are more in support of Toro, whereas southern workers and their families supported Juventus, the most beautiful symbol of the succes of FIAT. Nowadays, there are huge fan clubs in Sicily, Calabria, Puglia, ... forming big compettition against 'local' teams as Palermo, Messina, Napoli, Bari, and so on.

 

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[Red]

This is from wikipedia.



Juventus ultras have good relationships with Piacenza, Ado Den Haag and Legia Warsaw fans and have several rivalries, two of which are highly significant.The first is with local club Torino, they compete in the Derby della Mole (Derby of Torino) together; this rivalry dates back to 1906 when Torino was founded by former Juve members. The other most significant rivalry is with Internazionale; matches between Juventus and Inter are referred to as the Derby d'Italia (Derby of Italy). Up until the 2006 Serie A match-fixing scandal, which saw Juventus relegated, the two were the only Italian clubs to have never played below Serie A. Notably the two sides are the most supported in Italy, the rivalry has intensified since the later part of the 1990s.

Aberdeen an Juve Ultras should get together, we are friendly with Piacenza as well. the Red Ultras are also pals with Spurs and Boavista.

 

[Philipp00]

A new stadium without running track would improve our attendances. just look at bayern munich. their attendances are twice as big as before they moved to the allianz arena.

 

[Marc]

We need something like a Juventus arena.

 

[joe5]

Formed by dissident Juventus supporters in 1906, Toro are known to be the club of those born and bred in the city of Turin. Juventus is moreover supported by the immigrant workers from Italy's south, who arrived in the city to work for FIAT. It was obvious for them to support Juventus as the club is highly supported by the FIAT founders, the Agnelli family.

http://www.footballderbies.com/honours/index.php?id=39

Can someone confirm this to be true?

From WIki:

There was a split at the club in 1906, after some of the staff considered moving Juve out of Turin.[15] President Alfredo Dick was unhappy with this and left with some prominent players to found FBC Torino which in turn spawned the Derby della Mole.[16] Juventus spent much of this period steadily rebuilding after the split, surviving the First World War.

 

[oriax]

_____________________Average attendance
Season______Roma_____Lazio____Juventus____Milan_____Inter
1990/91_____43,570____36,371____43,114____77,488____54,946
1991/92_____51,609____39,499____51,832____77,868____48,783
1992/93_____50,306____49,105____45,869____75,830____45,126
1993/94_____52,615____50,149____44,521____65,708____49,469
1994/95_____56,356____48,715____47,866____56,659____40,523
1995/96_____53,146____46,326____42,060____60,973____46,873
1996/97_____50,557____38,699____39,272____55,894____50,806
1997/98_____52,813____46,058____47,348____54,432____67,825
1998/99_____54,309____53,184____47,168____57,760____68,459
1999/00_____58,915____51,956____42,127____58,522____66,546
2000/01_____63,370____48,498____41,307____52,304____55,582
2001/02_____59,402____42,684____40,658____58,616____62,434
2002/03_____57,160____44,129____39,772____61,534____61,943
2003/04_____46,458____49,341____34,980____63,245____58,352
2004/05_____49,631____37,516____26.429____63,595____57,295
2005/06_____39,726____27,872____30.469____59,993____51,371
2006/07_____38,689____25,048____18.085____45,854____47,052
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It seems that Lazio have the same problem as Juve. I heard that they want to move to a new stadium.

 

[Doctor]

True. One must realise that the Agnellis were seen as a sort of royal family in Italy in the sixties. They where the leading industrialists who managed to rebuild a postwar economy, and FIAT, based in Turin, was the most important company of Italy for a whole period.

A lot of poor southern Italians emigrated to the coal mines in Germany and Belgium (where there are still big Italian communities), or to the US, and so on, others found jobs at FIAT in Turin.

This explains why the original torinese are more in support of Toro, whereas southern workers and their families supported Juventus, the most beautiful symbol of the succes of FIAT. Nowadays, there are huge fan clubs in Sicily, Calabria, Puglia, ... forming big compettition against 'local' teams as Palermo, Messina, Napoli, Bari, and so on.

Thank you.
I couldnt have hoped for more analitical answer.
But can you answer the key question from this thread:
Where they wanted to move Juve back in 1906?

 

[Kosta]

In Vatican.

 

[Oggy]

A new stadium without running track would improve our attendances. just look at bayern munich. their attendances are twice as big as before they moved to the allianz arena.

But also let's not forget that Juve fans are minority compared to Torino fans in Turin.

 

[pavelnedved]

But also let's not forget that Juve fans are minority compared to Torino fans in Turin.

that's a myth and as a matter of fact not true at all

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

Woudnt have any sense to move our team from Torino...we born there and we will stay there.....

 

[d.nico]

Woudnt have any sense to move our team from Torino...we born there and we will stay there.....

Yes there is. Juventus is arguably a team with the most tifosi in Italy, but we had the worst attendance rating than inter and milan even worst with lazio and roma.
Juventus was born there but we can also move elsewhere..

 

[Doctor]

We are all a bit emocional towards city of Torino, but its obvious it hasent treated Juventus as well as it should have.

Two questions are to be made here:
1. Would we be better somewere elce?
2. If so, where?

Clearly if we have no sugestions for question 2 (and so far we didnt) question 1 is not worth mentoning.

 

[Rhizoid]

Aren't we happy that never happened. Turin is second to Mekkah in my book.

+rep, brother.

 

[VoteChiamparino]

I didn't know mekkah had a football team ?

 

[Elvin]

I didn't know mekkah had a football team ?

Dude, your avatar is awesome. Post it

 

[Esteban]

What are we a friggin NHL team? Of course we're not moving from Turin.

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/fans2.html

info about Juve's attendance over the years

Good read. I'd give you a +rep if I cared about rep.

 

[Franky4Fingers]

We are all a bit emocional towards city of Torino, but its obvious it hasent treated Juventus as well as it should have.

Two questions are to be made here:
1. Would we be better somewere elce?
2. If so, where?

Clearly if we have no sugestions for question 2 (and so far we didnt) question 1 is not worth mentoning.

Well considering the fact we have mostr of our fans in the south, that would be the region to go to. But the question remains how the fans there are spread. Are there large enough concentrations of fans to fill a 60.000 person stadium?

I do think removing the track around the field will help upgrading the number of spectators drasticly.

Wouldn't it be easier to move the fans into Torino?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

what do you mean move th fans into torino? do you mean actually physically bring them?

 

[Franky4Fingers]

what do you mean move th fans into torino? do you mean actually physically bring them?

Let's all move there.