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[Post Ironic]

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The Favourite is a fantastic film. One of the best I saw at VIFF this autumn. Emma Stone’s best performance by far. Weisz and Colman were superb too. The film is delightfully wicked and gorgeously shot. The sound design is on point as always.

Lanthimos is a tryhard, obviously, and can be overly meticulous and almost pedantic in his directing at times... and sometimes this falls flat like with Alps and to a degree The Lobster. But the style of film he creates requires this zealous sculpting of every little detail and it is what made his other three films brilliant imo. He reminds me of Beckett, that mix of absurdism and the surreal. I know quite a few who think Beckett is also a tryhard and call his work tedious “mental masturbation.” But I think Beckett is brilliant and it’s his attention to detail and full submersion into the absurd that make his work so.

With The Killing of a Sacred Deer and The Favourite Lanthimos has finally shown the experience and ability to grow past the formula of his first 3 films and build on the promise he showed with Dogtooth. Especially in this latest film he’s fully moved past fixing his leads into that wooden dialogue that lacks all humanity and nuance that worked with the psychological horror of TKOASD but not so much in The Lobster. I’d call The Favourite his first masterpiece. It really is great.

 

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[lgorTudor]

haven't seen The Favourite yet, maybe you aren't full of shit for once

speaking of Best Emma, just caught La La Land today as it's going off amazon prime tomorrow. Trivial story with no interesting characters but goose and emma smashed it and overall production value was good, main theme pretty catchy and visuals were crisp and imaginative, singing wasn't annoying as much as the dull plot

 

[pitbull]

In which world has Nirvana influenced more than Queen?

Cobain himself was a big Queen geek, but his impact on the future generations of rock artists imo is bigger than Mercury's. Foos, Weezer, Seether, half of punk rock scene, Leto, Puddle of Mudd from top of my head are the ones influenced by him in a super obvious way.

Both him and Queen touched a lot of artists in general from rappers to pop stars to obscure dreampop bands, but if we're talking about their music, I cant think of anyone apart from Muse who are continuing to walk in the footsteps of Freddie.

 

[Lapa]

Cobain himself was a big Queen geek, but his impact on the future generations of rock artists imo is bigger than Mercury's. Foos, Weezer, Seether, half of punk rock scene, Leto, Puddle of Mudd from top of my head are the ones influenced by him in a super obvious way.

Both him and Queen touched a lot of artists in general from rappers to pop stars to obscure dreampop bands, but if we're talking about their music, I cant think of anyone apart from Muse who are continuing to walk in the footsteps of Freddie.

I understand what you are trying to say.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Cobain himself was a big Queen geek, but his impact on the future generations of rock artists imo is bigger than Mercury's. Foos, Weezer, Seether, half of punk rock scene, Leto, Puddle of Mudd from top of my head are the ones influenced by him in a super obvious way.

That isn't thought through.

If Queen influenced Kobain/Nirvana, and Nirvana then goes on to influence Weezer, then there is also Queen in Weezer, and in all the other bands influenced by Nirvana.

That's how art works. Great artists influence other great artists. It's constantly evolving and not as stringent as you make it out to be.

Hell, Queen/Mercury were influenced by The Beatles. So you could even argue a bit of the Beatles is in Nirvana, and so on and so forth. Each generation of great bands rubs off onto the next one, and with them all the influences collected over the past.

 

[Dostoevsky]

That isn't thought through.

If Queen influenced Kobain/Nirvana, and Nirvana then goes on to influence Weezer, then there is also Queen in Weezer, and in all the other bands influenced by Nirvana.

That's how art works. Great artists influence other great artists. It's constantly evolving and not as stringent as you make it out to be.

Hell, Queen/Mercury were influenced by The Beatles. So you could even argue a bit of the Beatles are in Nirvana, and so on and so forth.

I don't have the knowledge to argue in this topic, but I do agree with your view of how art works/involves.

 

[pitbull]

That isn't thought through.

If Queen influenced Kobain/Nirvana, and Nirvana then goes on to influence Weezer, then there is also Queen in Weezer, and in all the other bands influenced by Nirvana.

That's how art works. Great artists influence other great artists. It's constantly evolving and not as stringent as you make it out to be.

Hell, Queen/Mercury were influenced by The Beatles. So you could even argue a bit of the Beatles is in Nirvana, and so on and so forth. Each generation of great bands rubs off onto the next one, and with them all the influences collected over the past.

The way you phrase it there's a percentage of Bach in Lil Wayne and its as relevant as his true influences. Do you really hear a clear Queen influence in Nirvana songs, can you give me an example? I think that Cobain liked Queen, but did his own thing within the culture of Siettle in that particular time

 

[Post Ironic]

Corn Island - I loved it. It was amazing @Post Ironic and I loved the contrast man vs men, man vs nature and contrast of the age beetween grandpa and that little girl. I was worried that I won't be able to find subs for this one, then I noticed how it had like 5-6 lines in the whole movie LOL. But I still loved it, it left a big impact and I could write a huge review while probably going on many sides. I loved how simple it was yet so beautiful. Some of the shots were really incredible. How do you define the ending? Kinda leaves me thinking about several options.

Juzni Vetar (South Wind) - After a long time I watch a (new) Serbian movie. It was different and something that West brought here, as it was "only" an action movie. With a limited budget I think it turned out quite well. I was not bored and some parts were really great. Car chases are obviously limited due to a budget but I did not mind that. A couple of years ago I said how I expect a lot from Milos Bikovic and I see he's on a road to become a famous guy even across the boarders. He worked on several projects with Nikita Mikhalkov so I also expect him to get roles in many Russian and European movies, but I surely won't be surprised if he starts acting in Hollywood in some mafia roles as some Serb/Russian guy. We have some amazing actors, sadly some passed away already, but we still have great ones. It was refresihing to see such movie here and hopefully it brings more money for new movies.

The ending, it's very open. While there are several possibilities to explain it... I like the simplest, the cyclical aspect, the beginning repeated, a new journey but not really new. The river washes away the old and renews itself, renews the land, but remains the same river, the same land. And a new pair of hands come to work it again, testing the soil's fertility and also discovering the natural cycle of this river, this island, a link to the story we've just watched, in the girl's doll, just as the old man at the beginning of the film found a link to another history on this island. Another race against time to grow a crop between the island's appearance, and the river reclaiming it as its own.

I loved how austere the film-making is, how simple and natural the story is. Ordinary moments and actions, forgotten and marginalized characters explored in a beautiful way. The contrast between the young girl's freshness and vitality and the weathered and almost washed away (no pun intended ) features of her grandfather is captured so perfectly, and that implied knowledge that one day the girl will end up in that same place, with those same weathered features, as we watch the girl's budding womanhood, her passage from childhood to adulthood, and the slow and gentle expression of that journey, of that struggle is also quite perfect. I'm happy Ovashvili chose not to add melodrama and tragedy in the form of man, even though the opportunity was there, but instead chose to allow the power of the natural world to wash everything away in the end. The sincerity of the film is really something.

You've seen The Turin Horse, right? While it also has the simplicity, combined with stunning cinematography and the sound design is wonderful, the film itself and the story it tells fails to move ultimately because it feels pretentious and lacks the sincerity and natural feeling of a film like Corn Island. I love some of Bela Tarr's films (Werckmeister Harmonies and Satantango are masterpieces), as you know, but a film like Corn Island shows you what The Turin Horse could have been with a little more sincerity.

 

[Dostoevsky]

The ending, it's very open. While there are several possibilities to explain it... I like the simplest, the cyclical aspect, the beginning repeated, a new journey but not really new. The river washes away the old and renews itself, renews the land, but remains the same river, the same land. And a new pair of hands come to work it again, testing the soil's fertility and also discovering the natural cycle of this river, this island, a link to the story we've just watched, in the girl's doll, just as the old man at the beginning of the film found a link to another history on this island. Another race against time to grow a crop between the island's appearance, and the river reclaiming it as its own.

I loved how austere the film-making is, how simple and natural the story is. Ordinary moments and actions, forgotten and marginalized characters explored in a beautiful way. The contrast between the young girl's freshness and vitality and the weathered and almost washed away (no pun intended ) features of her grandfather is captured so perfectly, and that implied knowledge that one day the girl will end up in that same place, with those same weathered features, as we watch the girl's budding womanhood, her passage from childhood to adulthood, and the slow and gentle expression of that journey, of that struggle is also quite perfect. I'm happy Ovashvili chose not to add melodrama and tragedy in the form of man, even though the opportunity was there, but instead chose to allow the power of the natural world to wash everything away in the end. The sincerity of the film is really something.

You've seen The Turin Horse, right? While it also has the simplicity, combined with stunning cinematography and the sound design is wonderful, the film itself and the story it tells fails to move ultimately because it feels pretentious and lacks the sincerity and natural feeling of a film like Corn Island. I love some of Bela Tarr's films (Werckmeister Harmonies and Satantango are masterpieces), as you know, but a film like Corn Island shows you what The Turin Horse could have been with a little more sincerity.

Lovely post PI.

Btw, for a moment I thought the old guy "bought" the girl and wanted to nail her eventually, hence her sudden departure in the boat in such aggressive manner. But yeah, I share the same view and I was incredible experience.

I did watch The Turin Horse, but I can't say I enjoy it. What you say might be the reason as I felt the movie too dry and couldn't digest it. Corn Island succeeded in every possible aspect and I'm so glad I watched it. Werckmeister Harmonies is a masterpiece. Haven't watched Satantango yet due to its length.

 

[Juvenann]

The important thing is that The Beatles it's the best band in the world.

same world where Lanthimos is a good director

So I'm glad to share that world with @Post Ironic

Last night I watched Excision, someone else watched it? And Night Train? I want to watch it one of these days.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Last night I watched Excision, someone else watched it? And Night Train? I want to watch it one of these days.

The one with AnnaLynne McCord?
Yeah, guilty. Only watched the movie because she's hot. It isn't the worst horror/Psychothriller film i've seen, but nothing to write home about imo.

 

[pitbull]

The important thing is that The Beatles it's the best band in the world.

what does Mandžukič think about that, he's also a Beatles fan?

 

[Juvenann]

The one with AnnaLynne McCord?
Yeah, guilty. Only watched the movie because she's hot. It isn't the worst horror/Psychothriller film i've seen, but nothing to write home about imo.

She didn't like me, she overacts a lot in this movie .
And I think the same, the film isn't bad, although its plot becomes repetitive and the end tries to be scandalous but it isn't.

what does Mandžukič think about that, he's also a Beatles fan?

No. He has bad taste about music.

 

[radekas]

wtf

 

[X Æ A-12]

 

[Cerval]

Won't beat the first one

 

[Dostoevsky]

I can't believe how fucking retarded they are. They are making a remake out of the one from '94? I even thought it'd be a different story or something. But just better graphics? First one was brilliant. Of course this shit is going to suck. They really lost all the creativity and have no innovation as everything turns out to be a reboot or something. I'd understand if it was something shit but with but potential. But reboot a great cartoon? You're a fucking moron. The old one has everything and nobody should even care if it looks old and not in "perfect CGI". Ffs, lets make all the old movies again because they were black and white

 

[X Æ A-12]

Yea it's a shameless cash grab but the disney jews have found a clever way out of deserved criticism by giving an almost entirely black cast so it will be praised as courageous instead of pointless.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I can't believe how fucking retarded they are. They are making a remake out of the one from '94? I even thought it'd be a different story or something. But just better graphics? First one was brilliant. Of course this shit is going to suck. They really lost all the creativity and have no innovation as everything turns out to be a reboot or something. I'd understand if it was something shit but with but potential. But reboot a great cartoon? You're a fucking moron. The old one has everything and nobody should even care if it looks old and not in "perfect CGI". Ffs, lets make all the old movies again because they were black and white

Welcome to Hollywood.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Welcome to Hollywood.

Ghostbusters move was really great lol.

Yea it's a shameless cash grab but the disney jews have found a clever way out of deserved criticism by giving an almost entirely black cast so it will be praised as courageous instead of pointless.

IMO there's no way it's gonna be anywhere near the original one when it comes to quality.