Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (59 Viewers)
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Then you misunderstood cause i certainly didn't mean to sound like it was mediocre. And i thought i made it clear i enjoyed it. So full of shit? not really. Just that it simply isn't a mind blowing sci fi experience and far from being a masterpiece. It doesn't even begin to touch the genius that was Space Odyssey or Solaris and many other classics of the genre. So it'd go quite down in that "one of the best scifis ever" list.
. I disagree that its nowhere near Space Odyssey, its super ambitious and dealt with the subject in an original and, in my opinion, brilliant way.
Dont take the full of shit comment personally
. I disagree that its nowhere near Space Odyssey, its super ambitious and dealt with the subject in an original and, in my opinion, brilliant way.
Then watch more Scifi series. I'll gladly recommend some. There's nothing original about Interstellar.
The idea of us evolving and transcending our 3 dimensional way of life/controlling space and time is an old one and already been covered by many shows in many different episodes. The control of wormholes, paradoxes... You name it. Those subjects have been around forever.
And i don't even want to begin my argument as to why there's nothing in the movie, except for it's visual grandiosity, that grants it a comparison to something so profoundly creative and innovative like Space Odyssey was and still is.
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Absolutely nowhere near.
And if Interstellar was made 30 years ago, maybe Nolan would have spent a little more time creating dialogue that doesn't come across as puerile and moronic for the most part. Instead he spent all his time on visuals. And that's exactly what Interstellar is, an ambitious, visual feast, with mediocre dialogue and acting, and appallingly bad sound-mixing.
Perspective is important here.
Perspective is important here.
All conceivable themes have been covered, what makes a movie stand out is the way it links themes witjin a story. They made the shit out of Interstellar, the feeling that dust will consume us while people just slave away, the way they simplified time relativity without dumbing it down. Especially the way they portrayed five dimensions in a three dimensional perspective - it has just not been done like that before.
Visuals, sure, will change due to ever changing technology. But the idea, the messages it tries to get across... A good story is a good story no matter when it's from. Good dialogues and uniquely creative ways to reach the viewer can only be achieved by a few. Kubrick was one of them, especially in his work in Space Odyssey.
Exactly my thoughts.
But even then it's a matter of perspective. Some of the most beautiful cinematography of all time exists in films made decades ago.
Kubrick made a perfect film, regardless of era. The only reason people might argue it holds less value today, is Special FX, that's it. But that's not what Kubrick relied on in the making of his film.
The same thing with Tarkovsky's film Stalker. If it had been filmed and released this past year, it would still be one the best films ever made. Special FX and modern technology wouldn't make it better.
Kubrick made a perfect film, regardless of era. The only reason people might argue it holds less value today, is Special FX, that's it. But that's not what Kubrick relied on in the making of his film.
The same thing with Tarkovsky's film Stalker. If it had been filmed and released this past year, it would still be one the best films ever made. Special FX and modern technology wouldn't make it better.
Everything in this movie was dumbed down. There was no need to use your brain and try to understand the concept. The movie would just draw it for you. Lazy. The movie was lazy, but then again, it was made for lazy people. It's a blockbuster anyway.
It has in the original Twilight Zone series from the late 50's, now THAT was a creative show. I'm not gonna remember which exact episode but gives you an idea of how long ago this subject has been covered in an almost identical way.
It has in the original Twilight Zone series from the late 50's, now THAT was a creative show. I'm not gonna remember which exact episode but gives you an idea of how long ago this subject has been covered in an almost identical way.
The entire film. From dumbed down space-time jargon that is over-explicated all the time to "maudlin truisms and increasingly New Age mumbo-jumbo about the power of love" as one reviewer put it.
There's idiotic stuff like Romily explaining to genius Nasa pilot Coop what a wormhole is as there about to fly into one. There's way too much expository dialogue that gives complete lie to the "show not tell" rule that is especially important in film. The dialogue comes across as a bunch of explanatory monologues, cut up into short little bits to make conversation, often with random and ridiculous questions attached so as to give it a semblance of the natural. Nolan seems to think most of the audience is rather stupid and won't notice just how silly this is, by trying to sneak it into conversation wherever he can, but it just comes across as clunky and irritating, and as though we're sitting through some sort of strange hybridized blockbuster film/really shitty science lecture.
There's idiotic stuff like Romily explaining to genius Nasa pilot Coop what a wormhole is as there about to fly into one. There's way too much expository dialogue that gives complete lie to the "show not tell" rule that is especially important in film. The dialogue comes across as a bunch of explanatory monologues, cut up into short little bits to make conversation, often with random and ridiculous questions attached so as to give it a semblance of the natural. Nolan seems to think most of the audience is rather stupid and won't notice just how silly this is, by trying to sneak it into conversation wherever he can, but it just comes across as clunky and irritating, and as though we're sitting through some sort of strange hybridized blockbuster film/really shitty science lecture.
I agree on the wormhole thing, the rest isn't substantial. You might not like Nolan's style, whereas I like the way he writes dialogue. For instance, I loved Matt Damon talking to Coop while he is dying, emphatically explaining what Coop is going through. The part about "love" is far from mumbo jumbo, it's taking a feeling that is impossible to explain and interpreting it as a connection that transcends time and space - the discussion is key to the climax.