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You know, as well as I, those films are favourites in the hipster crowd. 
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Tornatore's dialogues were always uninspired and largely forgettable. All his films would have been much better with half-decent dialogue.
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Tornatore's dialogues were always uninspired and largely forgettable. All his films would have been much better with half-decent dialogue.
I'm sure you realize a lot get lost when translating, don't you? How can you judge a dialogue when it's a foreign language you're not fluent in?
From personal experience City of God is a good example. I'd say 90% of it's dialogue substance is lost when translated. It's slang, street language, local made up words, etc.
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On the same subject, there is a single reason i'd want to learn Russian. Is that So i could truly experience and understand Tarkovsky's art.
You speak Italian now?
I'm sure you realize a lot get lost when translating, don't you? How can you judge a dialogue when it's a foreign language you're not fluent in?
From personal experience City of God is a good example. I'd say 90% of it's dialogue substance is lost when translated. It's slang, street language, local made up words, etc.
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On the same subject, there is a single reason i'd want to learn Russian. Is that So i could truly experience and understand Tarkovsky's art.
I'm sure you realize a lot get lost when translating, don't you? How can you judge a dialogue when it's a foreign language you're not fluent in?
From personal experience City of God is a good example. I'd say 90% of it's dialogue substance is lost when translated. It's slang, street language, local made up words, etc.
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On the same subject, there is a single reason i'd want to learn Russian. Is that So i could truly experience and understand Tarkovsky's art.
With regards to Tornatore's dialogue... I don't necessarily mean the structure, flow, lyricism, whatever else. More so the content, the nature of the dialogue, the philosophical quality of it. I think it's poor. I think it's rather inorganic. Now this could be in part due to translation, but any translator worth their salt is going to worry more about getting those things across in a novel or a film, and not so much lyricism, cadence, etc. That's all I meant.
I see your point. I haven't watched enough of his movies to have an opinion on his art as a whole but i didn't find Cinema Paradiso dialogues to be poor. It's simple indeed but it's about a simple guy from a simple place in simpler times. It simply fits.
Those classes we all take, rarely anyone ever learns anything from them. They were pretty much useless for most people I know. I personally had Spanish and French, besides English. Learned none. It wasn't until I moved here that i learned both English and Spanish. The latter, i understand it fluently but don't speak as fluenty by choice. Never liked it, always thought it sounded like a wrong Portuguese.
You must have been a real dedicated language student to even familiarize with all of those. Which is cool.
Those classes we all take, rarely anyone ever learns anything from them. They were pretty much useless for most people I know. I personally had Spanish and French, besides English. Learned none. It wasn't until I moved here that i learned both English and Spanish. The latter, i understand it fluently but don't speak as fluenty by choice. Never liked it, always thought it sounded like a wrong Portuguese.
You must have been a real dedicated language student to even familiarize with all of those. Which is cool.
You're probably right. It's been 9 years since I last watched Cinema Paradiso. It played at a retrospective of Tornatore's work at a local repertory cinema, and it was all the rage amongst the artsy "bohemian" hipster crowd that I spent my University days with. I probably rebelled against that a little. There are a number of films, that push that button for me, where it's just way too much the "in" thing to like them, in that crowd. The latest was Blue is the Warmest Colour, which was a great film, but entirely of that sort. Oh well. Someday I'll get over my aversion to that sort thing, and completely ignore that non-filmic context that surrounds certain films.
I've been trying to learn Hungarian, but so far failing miserably. Brutal language to learn. It doesn't seem to be related to almost any other language. Not one that I've studied before anyways. But so many fantastic filmmakers, novelists, artists out of that country.
I've been trying to learn Hungarian, but so far failing miserably. Brutal language to learn. It doesn't seem to be related to almost any other language. Not one that I've studied before anyways. But so many fantastic filmmakers, novelists, artists out of that country.
And then you try to convince us you're no hipster
You hate a movie because people you hate like it. Sure, mr. too cool 4 mainstream.
You hate a movie because people you hate like it. Sure, mr. too cool 4 mainstream.
I said it was a good movie, but overrated. It was popular amongst the "hipster" crowd, back when I was in University, and well, I didn't want to be a hipster. SO... there you go. I probably should have just accepted my hipster status and enjoyed the film more.
You guys are mean to me. I'm going to cry now. And then I'll make little dolls of y'all, and practice the dark arts of Vodun on you.
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No no no.
I said it was a good movie, but overrated. It was popular amongst the "hipster" crowd, back when I was in University, and well, I didn't want to be a hipster. SO... there you go. I probably should have just accepted my hipster status and enjoyed the film more.
You guys are mean to me. I'm going to cry now. And then I'll make little dolls of y'all, and practice the dark arts of Vodun on you.
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I said it was a good movie, but overrated. It was popular amongst the "hipster" crowd, back when I was in University, and well, I didn't want to be a hipster. SO... there you go. I probably should have just accepted my hipster status and enjoyed the film more.
You guys are mean to me. I'm going to cry now. And then I'll make little dolls of y'all, and practice the dark arts of Vodun on you.
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I used to be a little like you. Passionate about my hobbies and a bit hateful of mainstream. Not with movies though, with Music. As i mentioned in our Genesis talk, I used to collect 60's and 70's Psychedelic/Progressive Rock and my passion was obscure rock records of that time. If they weren't all in boxes I'd care to take pictures. Some really rare gems i found from the most exquisite places you couldn't ever imagine such bands could come out of. I believe It's a similar passion you have with foreign unknown flicks and everything about them.
You're all such film dorks. 
I went to four different Universities for a half-dozen things, and never actually finished a degree. Film history was one of them. As was literature. Sometimes I wish I'd been able to focus on one thing and continue my studies, but I just don't do specification in an academic environment very well. I wanted to study everything.
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I used to be a little like you. Passionate about my hobbies and a bit hateful of mainstream. Not with movies though, with Music. As i mentioned in our Genesis talk, I used to collect 60's and 70's Psychedelic/Progressive Rock and my passion was obscure rock records of that time. If they weren't all in boxes I'd care to take pictures. Some really rare gems i found from the most exquisite places you couldn't ever imagine such bands could come out of. I believe It's a similar passion you have with foreign unknown flicks and everything about them.
And there's the extent of my hipsterdom.