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Post Ironic

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Even their prog rock had an oddly "britpop" sound to it. It made it interesting, but I never really enjoyed it that much. I would never call it bad, just not my cup of tea.

The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is still my favourite album of theirs. And Syd Barrett > David Gilmour and Roger Waters. Barrett was a songwriting genius and his use of dissonance was excellent.
 

CrimsonianKing

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Even their prog rock had an oddly "britpop" sound to it. It made it interesting, but I never really enjoyed it that much. I would never call it bad, just not my cup of tea.

The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is still my favourite album of theirs. And Syd Barrett > David Gilmour and Roger Waters. Barrett was a songwriting genius and his use of dissonance was excellent.
Oh yeah, they were never truly Prog even at their most Prog moments. Like Rush or Uriah Heep. Prog is Genesis, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, King Crimson and so on. I see. Fair enough.

I love Barrett's writing including his solo work. But to me even if he hadn't lost his mind due to drugs he always seemed to be the type that wouldn't fit well in what was coming in the next decade.

He was a very 60's composer to my ears, that blues-based standard rock with that very typical experimentalism that only the 60's had. I don't know how he would find himself surrounded by Progressive and a much heavier rock on one side, A modernized jazz in Fusion and Soul/R&B and Funk on another.
 

Post Ironic

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Oh yeah, they were never truly Prog even at their most Prog moments. Like Rush or Uriah Heep. Prog is Genesis, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, King Crimson and so on. I see. Fair enough.

I love Barrett's writing including his solo work. But to me even if he hadn't lost his mind due to drugs he always seemed to be the type that wouldn't fit well in what was coming in the next decade.

He was a very 60's composer to my ears, that blues-based standard rock with that very typical experimentalism that only the 60's had. I don't know how he would find himself surrounded by Progressive and a much heavier rock on one side, A modernized jazz in Fusion and Soul/R&B and Funk on another.
Yeah. I definitely mis-worded it. Didn't mean they were a pop band. Just that their Prog rock sound, was vastly different due to a sort of Britpop styling to it.

I certainly agree with that. Barrett disappeared into anonymity at the right time. You see his influence in late 70s/early 80s David Bowie, or Brian Eno. Stuff like that, still more on the experimental side, pushing towards a sort of early electronic aesthetic, with massive dissonance and sampling.
 

Hængebøffer

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Oh yeah, they were never truly Prog even at their most Prog moments. Like Rush or Uriah Heep. Prog is Genesis, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, King Crimson and so on. I see. Fair enough.

I love Barrett's writing including his solo work. But to me even if he hadn't lost his mind due to drugs he always seemed to be the type that wouldn't fit well in what was coming in the next decade.

He was a very 60's composer to my ears, that blues-based standard rock with that very typical experimentalism that only the 60's had. I don't know how he would find himself surrounded by Progressive and a much heavier rock on one side, A modernized jazz in Fusion and Soul/R&B and Funk on another.
Yeah. I definitely mis-worded it. Didn't mean they were a pop band. Just that their Prog rock sound, was vastly different due to a sort of Britpop styling to it.

I certainly agree with that. Barrett disappeared into anonymity at the right time. You see his influence in late 70s/early 80s David Bowie, or Brian Eno. Stuff like that, still more on the experimental side, pushing towards a sort of early electronic aesthetic, with massive dissonance and sampling.
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Go to bed, sleep and then get up and read what you two just wrote.
Genesis :rofl: It can't get more pop'ish.
 

CrimsonianKing

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:sergoi:
Go to bed, sleep and then get up and read what you two just wrote.
Genesis :rofl: It can't get more pop'ish.
Huh? Genesis was a Progressive Rock band all the way to Duke. The "pop Genesis" you know is from 1981' and on and even then still had Prog Rock elements.

I know it because I own all those records. I actually collect, well used to, Progressive Rock records.
 

Post Ironic

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Huh? Genesis was a Progressive Rock band all the way to Duke. The "pop Genesis" you know is from 1981' and on and even then still had Prog Rock elements.

I know it because I own all those records. I actually collect, well used to, Progressive Rock records.
Most people are only aware of Genesis post-1980 and the album Duke. It's not his fault that he had no idea Genesis formed in 1967. :lol:
 

CrimsonianKing

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How about that 1977 Genesis concert movie... Which I haven't actually seen...
Live? It's a pretty cool "movie" post-Gabriel. It stars that great drumm... Actor Bill Bruford who played... Was part of movies for King Crimson and Yes. Phil Collins plays the drum... Acts in the movie as well.

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Enough with going off-topic. I'll just leave this here to mindfuck @Hængebøffer and to show how "pop" Genesis sound was. Back to movies.

 

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