well IMHO, if di canio was talented, and if trap didnt pick him there would be uproar, but ignore me, continue with mate. i know how refreshing these things can be and im not gonna try and be a wet blanket....
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When? Just go to the Baggio tribute... they are all there... you even said that he fighted and spoke bad with his teammates and even with Maldini (they are actually very close friends)
Well... to say that Di Canio and Del Piero are more naturally gifted than Baggio is insulting him... and that means that you don't want to see the truth! Why schuld they be? They probably did not even think about doing what Baggio did so why they are more talented.... cause somebody went in Baggio body while he was doing those things?
The truth is that nobody here in Italy will ever start a discussion about who is the most talented, and as I saw in the pools and in the forums and travelling also abroad.
If it hurts you it's your problem... but just avoid the argoment... what it makes me laugth is that you are trying to justify your dislike 4 him... youst say "Bah it would't be like that" or something like this, but is loosing time to say that I'm overrating a player who was voted the 4° ever...
Your obsession of Baggio is unbelivole... I'm sure that if you will try "hypnosys" you will figure out he stole your girlfriend in previous life
Now let's count the posts that you wrote trying to put down a player who is considered in the bests of soccer history (and that just thanks of his talent cause he was not helped by his phisic or nothing), with the silly mission of changing the realty
Bet you kiss Del Piero poster every night before you go to sleap, and that you even have his picture in your wallet
Well... to say that Di Canio and Del Piero are more naturally gifted than Baggio is insulting him... and that means that you don't want to see the truth! Why schuld they be? They probably did not even think about doing what Baggio did so why they are more talented.... cause somebody went in Baggio body while he was doing those things?
The truth is that nobody here in Italy will ever start a discussion about who is the most talented, and as I saw in the pools and in the forums and travelling also abroad.
If it hurts you it's your problem... but just avoid the argoment... what it makes me laugth is that you are trying to justify your dislike 4 him... youst say "Bah it would't be like that" or something like this, but is loosing time to say that I'm overrating a player who was voted the 4° ever...
Your obsession of Baggio is unbelivole... I'm sure that if you will try "hypnosys" you will figure out he stole your girlfriend in previous life
Now let's count the posts that you wrote trying to put down a player who is considered in the bests of soccer history (and that just thanks of his talent cause he was not helped by his phisic or nothing), with the silly mission of changing the realty
Bet you kiss Del Piero poster every night before you go to sleap, and that you even have his picture in your wallet
Yes Di Canio was talented... but of course not one the most talented. After Baggio I will take Mancini, Rivera, Zola, Mazzola... so many...
Did Trap really say that???
Di Canio is always in a TV schow (controcampo) he use to insult Trap so bad... maybe that's the reason why he doesn't have his sympaty...
Did Trap really say that???
Di Canio is always in a TV schow (controcampo) he use to insult Trap so bad... maybe that's the reason why he doesn't have his sympaty...
Of course... and I don't have anything against who like Del Piero and dislike Baggio... but I criticize when somebody pretend that it's the truth. Cause if Baggio is considered the best ever in Italy and in the bests of soccer history, while Del Piero and Di Canio are never even mentioned ther's not so many arguments...
I respect all the personal opinions, not who start sayng the "history is wrong" and his idea are the truth...
I respect all the personal opinions, not who start sayng the "history is wrong" and his idea are the truth...
Yes by some, in 2000 they elected the player of the millenium, Baggio was voted the 4°, and most of the peaple voted actually Maradona. I don't think Baggio is the best ever... he is it 4 me, but I will not say he's definitly the best ever. I just say that he's the best Italian, and thats what most of the peaple think (He's the only Italian always mentioned in the best ever and he is also the "azzurro of ever), of course somebody can desagree, but cannot say that I am the one who overrate it cause his "beeing the best Italian" was even made "official".
Who wants to consider Del Piero the best ever (I know you don't) is free to do it, but schould not deny that is a personal opinion, and go around saying he's holding the truth also cause it will be difficolt to do it cause he's never mentioned in any best ever...
One thing is to say that this player is your favorite and that you can't really see that one, those are "heart things" and ther's nothing wrong with them; an other is bodering who like a player who was voted the 4° of soccer history saying it is overrating... And saying that "the truth" is that the best is another player who is never mentioned in the bests...
I will not certainly go to boder all the peaple who says that Maradona is the best ever also if "my player" is Baggio... and I was not certainly disappointed when I saw that Eusebio was before him in the "millennium player" I just think that if many peaple think like this Eusebio must have been a great player, faraway from me to boder all the portoguise saying they overrate him...
Who wants to consider Del Piero the best ever (I know you don't
) is free to do it, but schould not deny that is a personal opinion, and go around saying he's holding the truth also cause it will be difficolt to do it cause he's never mentioned in any best ever...One thing is to say that this player is your favorite and that you can't really see that one, those are "heart things" and ther's nothing wrong with them; an other is bodering who like a player who was voted the 4° of soccer history saying it is overrating... And saying that "the truth" is that the best is another player who is never mentioned in the bests...
I will not certainly go to boder all the peaple who says that Maradona is the best ever also if "my player" is Baggio... and I was not certainly disappointed when I saw that Eusebio was before him in the "millennium player" I just think that if many peaple think like this Eusebio must have been a great player, faraway from me to boder all the portoguise saying they overrate him...
I don't asck somebody else to think like me, too.
I just ask Denco, to give up running after every single post about Baggio saying that me (or somebody else) are overrating him. How can you use the word "overrate" when you are speaking about a player who was selected the best Italian ever and the the 4° of soccer history? If we can't praise him without find regolary his post putting him down and saying "stop overrating him" it will mean nobody can spend a single good world about any player exluding Maradona and Pelè...
I'm sorry 4 Denco but he had to kindapp Baggio when he was a boy if he really did not want him to schow everybody his gifts and if he hates to see his name in the "bests ever"... If it hurts him the best thing will be to avoid the argoment, anycase everybody already know his opinion (no need of repeating it every day) and he's just loosing time in his cruciate 4 putting him down, it's too late, he's already a legend.
I just ask Denco, to give up running after every single post about Baggio saying that me (or somebody else) are overrating him. How can you use the word "overrate" when you are speaking about a player who was selected the best Italian ever and the the 4° of soccer history? If we can't praise him without find regolary his post putting him down and saying "stop overrating him" it will mean nobody can spend a single good world about any player exluding Maradona and Pelè...
I'm sorry 4 Denco but he had to kindapp Baggio when he was a boy if he really did not want him to schow everybody his gifts and if he hates to see his name in the "bests ever"... If it hurts him the best thing will be to avoid the argoment, anycase everybody already know his opinion (no need of repeating it every day) and he's just loosing time in his cruciate 4 putting him down, it's too late, he's already a legend.
Oh my god I missed it! That's to funny!!!
Actually we are speaking about the player who was voted the 4° of soccer history and the best Italian ever... but I am the one who "makes him beeing good".
But the truth about Baggio's talent must be the view of an obsessed guy who will run over him with his car if he will ever see him, it's all the world that is wrong!
Oh yes, what a shame, all this corrupted peaple who ignore you poor beloved and vote Baggio, they are defintly paid by him
Of course, considering that Del Piero in your dreams dribble 3-4 players and Baggio do not exist, your view must be "the truth"
Oh yes, that guy with the ponytail who took Italy to the final totaly alone in USA 94 was Maradona with a wig, what a conspiration!!! Why nobody said anything and ban him?
Yes, Baggio never existed don't worry it was just a bad nightmare
That guy called Platinì said " Baggio creates like a number 10 and score like a number 9, so I think he scould wear number 9 1\2" but don't worry, he was drunk. Baggio never existed and those guy with the ponytail was Maradona with a wig
I guess your opinion it's very important and I will consider it
Never mind if one of the biggest quality of Baggio it's that he can make the difference alone, even when his not supported by his teammates, I will listen the opinion of a guy obsessed by Baggio, it will be the most objective
Yes, I'm sure it's true
Also here I saw a magazine who said that in year 3000 when it will be the time to decide the new "player of the millennium" who will come after Baggio everybody will remember that he missed a penalty (who was actually not determinant)
Of course! The peaple who voted him in the FIFA pools were all corrupted, and Abacus (who just week ago did a pool about the most popolar italian player abroad) too, and also all the media, schame to them! And you know what, when I travel I found that ther's so many corrupted peaple around. Ther's really something wrong denco, Baggio corrupted all the world and he payed all this peaple 4 thinking that he's one of the gratest and 4 ignoring your poor beloved, you must do something!!!
P.S.: Look what FIFA wrote about Baggio:
“Il Divino Codino” is a footballing genius: an inch-perfect passer of the ball, a free-kick specialist and a sensational dribbler. In his heyday he was unstoppable; seemingly capable of rounding any number of defenders before finishing in style. Who will ever forget his goal against Czechoslovakia at Italia 90 when he took on and beat the whole Czech defence? Venerated as a demi-god at Fiorentina, rioting broke out in the streets of Florence the day Roberto signed for Juventus.
He was voted European Footballer of the Year in 1993 after leading Juventus to triumph in the UEFA Cup, and he followed that up with an outstanding display at USA 94, taking the Squadra Azzurra virtually single-handedly all the way to the Final, scoring five of his side’s six goals from the second round on."
They such idiots, right? How it happened they didn't notice that he sucked at USA 94 and that he's unable to "single handle" a team? Maybe they are not idiots, they are corrupted too
But don't worry I will not listen them I will listen to your opinion it's the "right one" 100% cause you are the most "objective" with Baggio. Anycase he spended less money on them than on the peaple who voted in pool, cause they gave him just the 7° place in soccer history... and who do you think was the one who pay them 4 not mentionig your beloved? Baggio fault also this? Yes I guess he has enought money also to pay peaple 4 this
Are you happy now? I became a Baggio-hater too! You won your battle!!! You spent all this months putting him down and running after all my posts, so I decide to forget all the matchs I've seen and to ignore what all the world is thinking You must be very proud of your self!
And now how can we do to change this "fake and curroupted" history?
We have to do something more active! Going trought forums trowing schit on him, is not enought! We need to organize a revolution! Why don't we start organizing a petition 4 taking the golden ball and Fifa world player out to his house? He buyed also this awards, right? Than we have to convince FIFA and FIGC to invalidate their "millennium player" pools, cause he payed the peaple 4 voting him and it will be so unfear that his name will be there 4 others 1000 years! And 4 last we schould destroy all the videocassettes about him, cause this guy dribbling the whole field, creating and scoring amazing goals and single handling the Squadra Azzura was not him as all this corrupted mafiosi want us to think! About all the websites, the media and the single persons, who belived in all this "conspirancy" and are speaking about him, it will be enought to ask all the country's to make "illegal" to name him... Let's go Denco, it isn't a mission impossible we can delay Baggio from history if we really want
Actually we are speaking about the player who was voted the 4° of soccer history and the best Italian ever... but I am the one who "makes him beeing good".
But the truth about Baggio's talent must be the view of an obsessed guy who will run over him with his car if he will ever see him, it's all the world that is wrong!
Oh yes, what a shame, all this corrupted peaple who ignore you poor beloved and vote Baggio, they are defintly paid by him
Of course, considering that Del Piero in your dreams dribble 3-4 players and Baggio do not exist, your view must be "the truth"
Oh yes, that guy with the ponytail who took Italy to the final totaly alone in USA 94 was Maradona with a wig, what a conspiration!!! Why nobody said anything and ban him?
Yes, Baggio never existed don't worry it was just a bad nightmare
That guy called Platinì said " Baggio creates like a number 10 and score like a number 9, so I think he scould wear number 9 1\2" but don't worry, he was drunk. Baggio never existed and those guy with the ponytail was Maradona with a wig
I guess your opinion it's very important and I will consider it
Never mind if one of the biggest quality of Baggio it's that he can make the difference alone, even when his not supported by his teammates, I will listen the opinion of a guy obsessed by Baggio, it will be the most objective
Yes, I'm sure it's true
Also here I saw a magazine who said that in year 3000 when it will be the time to decide the new "player of the millennium" who will come after Baggio everybody will remember that he missed a penalty (who was actually not determinant)
Of course!
The peaple who voted him in the FIFA pools were all corrupted, and Abacus (who just week ago did a pool about the most popolar italian player abroad) too, and also all the media, schame to them! And you know what, when I travel I found that ther's so many corrupted peaple around. Ther's really something wrong denco, Baggio corrupted all the world and he payed all this peaple 4 thinking that he's one of the gratest and 4 ignoring your poor beloved, you must do something!!! P.S.: Look what FIFA wrote about Baggio:
“Il Divino Codino” is a footballing genius: an inch-perfect passer of the ball, a free-kick specialist and a sensational dribbler. In his heyday he was unstoppable; seemingly capable of rounding any number of defenders before finishing in style. Who will ever forget his goal against Czechoslovakia at Italia 90 when he took on and beat the whole Czech defence? Venerated as a demi-god at Fiorentina, rioting broke out in the streets of Florence the day Roberto signed for Juventus.
He was voted European Footballer of the Year in 1993 after leading Juventus to triumph in the UEFA Cup, and he followed that up with an outstanding display at USA 94, taking the Squadra Azzurra virtually single-handedly all the way to the Final, scoring five of his side’s six goals from the second round on."
They such idiots, right? How it happened they didn't notice that he sucked at USA 94 and that he's unable to "single handle" a team?
Maybe they are not idiots, they are corrupted too But don't worry I will not listen them I will listen to your opinion it's the "right one" 100% cause you are the most "objective" with Baggio. Anycase he spended less money on them than on the peaple who voted in pool, cause they gave him just the 7° place in soccer history... and who do you think was the one who pay them 4 not mentionig your beloved? Baggio fault also this? Yes I guess he has enought money also to pay peaple 4 this
Are you happy now? I became a Baggio-hater too! You won your battle!!! You spent all this months putting him down and running after all my posts, so I decide to forget all the matchs I've seen and to ignore what all the world is thinking
You must be very proud of your self! And now how can we do to change this "fake and curroupted" history?
We have to do something more active! Going trought forums trowing schit on him, is not enought! We need to organize a revolution!
Why don't we start organizing a petition 4 taking the golden ball and Fifa world player out to his house? He buyed also this awards, right? Than we have to convince FIFA and FIGC to invalidate their "millennium player" pools, cause he payed the peaple 4 voting him and it will be so unfear that his name will be there 4 others 1000 years! And 4 last we schould destroy all the videocassettes about him, cause this guy dribbling the whole field, creating and scoring amazing goals and single handling the Squadra Azzura was not him as all this corrupted mafiosi want us to think! About all the websites, the media and the single persons, who belived in all this "conspirancy" and are speaking about him, it will be enought to ask all the country's to make "illegal" to name him... Let's go Denco, it isn't a mission impossible we can delay Baggio from history if we really want Of course ther's no guaranee of who had the most talent, cause there may been somebody who had it and never expressed it.
I just say that Baggio is the one who schowed the bests things while all the others players who were mentioned probably did not even thought of doing it (and that it's not a personal opinion cause ther's not any video of Del Piero or Di Canio dribbling a whole defence, or something like that)... and cause they never had injurys who compromitted their career or any "mental sikness" I don't see in which sense "it's sure that they did not express their talent, who was actually like Baggio's one if not grater".
If you mention Gazza, Edmundo or players like this yes, we will never know how mutch they were talented cause they were too crazy to focus on soccer, but in Italy ther's anybody like this, maybe Cassano is in a good way... and maybe ther's somebody who never even got famos, but in to the famos player no.
Than it depends of wich kind of "gifts" you are talking about... Baggio is the most gifted in those think i repeated so many times (what a #10 is suppose to do) but if you talking about "leader personality" schould be Baresi, Physycal power Vialli or Vieri, rapidity, Rossi and Inzaghi, headers somebody else, ecc... actually they are all gifts.
Everybody will prefer something or somebody, it's normal, the fact that Baggio is considered "the most gifted" from mostly of the peaple does not mean that everybody have to be agree... every idea can be respectful but why to say "he didn't make the difference to the Nt", "can't both create or score goals", "one of those very good players who needs team mates" when those are his main caratheristics? And especially why to pretend that's the truth just cause you hate Baggio and that the fact that results the opposite is not accettable.
If denco do not like Baggio is free to say it, also every day, if he can't live without but he can't say things like "you're overrating Baggio" or "you make out him good"... when he came out to be the best Italian and the 4° of history...
4 example I do not have sympaty 4 Ronaldo, but I will not go around forums looking 4 all the post of the Brazilians who likes him and trying to convince tham that the truth is that he can't score, that he never passed a player in his life, he sucked in the WC, ecc... cause I realize that I may not be agree about he's so grate, but I can't pretend to convince all the world about it cause if he won the golden ball and if so many peaple consider him one of the gratest player of heart ther must be a reason.
That's the difference beetwin not beeing agree with what most of the peaple think and express your opinion... and bodering a person who praise a player that is actually considered one of the gratest just cause "you really can't see him".
I just say that Baggio is the one who schowed the bests things while all the others players who were mentioned probably did not even thought of doing it (and that it's not a personal opinion cause ther's not any video of Del Piero or Di Canio dribbling a whole defence, or something like that)... and cause they never had injurys who compromitted their career or any "mental sikness" I don't see in which sense "it's sure that they did not express their talent, who was actually like Baggio's one if not grater".
If you mention Gazza, Edmundo or players like this yes, we will never know how mutch they were talented cause they were too crazy to focus on soccer, but in Italy ther's anybody like this, maybe Cassano is in a good way... and maybe ther's somebody who never even got famos, but in to the famos player no.
Than it depends of wich kind of "gifts" you are talking about... Baggio is the most gifted in those think i repeated so many times (what a #10 is suppose to do) but if you talking about "leader personality" schould be Baresi, Physycal power Vialli or Vieri, rapidity, Rossi and Inzaghi, headers somebody else, ecc... actually they are all gifts.
Everybody will prefer something or somebody, it's normal, the fact that Baggio is considered "the most gifted" from mostly of the peaple does not mean that everybody have to be agree... every idea can be respectful but why to say "he didn't make the difference to the Nt", "can't both create or score goals", "one of those very good players who needs team mates" when those are his main caratheristics? And especially why to pretend that's the truth just cause you hate Baggio and that the fact that results the opposite is not accettable.
If denco do not like Baggio is free to say it, also every day, if he can't live without but he can't say things like "you're overrating Baggio" or "you make out him good"... when he came out to be the best Italian and the 4° of history...
4 example I do not have sympaty 4 Ronaldo, but I will not go around forums looking 4 all the post of the Brazilians who likes him and trying to convince tham that the truth is that he can't score, that he never passed a player in his life, he sucked in the WC, ecc... cause I realize that I may not be agree about he's so grate, but I can't pretend to convince all the world about it cause if he won the golden ball and if so many peaple consider him one of the gratest player of heart ther must be a reason.
That's the difference beetwin not beeing agree with what most of the peaple think and express your opinion... and bodering a person who praise a player that is actually considered one of the gratest just cause "you really can't see him".
actually many of the things you say shouldnt be taken into account, matey. i dont think it matters whether you came back from an injury,
it doesnt matter how many goals you score. IMHO what makes a player a legend, someone special, someone great, is someone who has a combination of multiple talents, and one who can and does lead his team to greatness. not necessarily a coppa or a scudetto, or anything, but someone who makes a team special.
a person who is the bond that holds the whole team together. someone who when comes on as a sub turns the game around. someone who outperforms his opposing player and direct opponent(s), someone who plays beautiful football and shows both skill and some result for his work.
someone who is considered one of the best in his class.
he is a player who i think deserves the title of legend.
baggio has done those things, and is rightfully considered a legend. ale may not have done as much, but still he has done much of what i have said above, and is about to do more, as the years progress. he is the golden boy of juventus, and thats why I think he is special.
i dont think baggio doesnt deserve the praise he gets. i appreciate the fact that you support him with such fervour and zeal, but ale deserves his too.
denco himself stated that he didnt hate baggio. that in itself should be enough. dont try and change his opinion about him by arguing.
i dont mind when you get into spirited discussions. but the focus is trying to prove your point and express your opinion, not to change someone's opinion. i mean you can do that, but not by arguing. makes it kinda long and boring.
i mean i dont even read the posts here...they're so long lol!
it doesnt matter how many goals you score. IMHO what makes a player a legend, someone special, someone great, is someone who has a combination of multiple talents, and one who can and does lead his team to greatness. not necessarily a coppa or a scudetto, or anything, but someone who makes a team special.
a person who is the bond that holds the whole team together. someone who when comes on as a sub turns the game around. someone who outperforms his opposing player and direct opponent(s), someone who plays beautiful football and shows both skill and some result for his work.
someone who is considered one of the best in his class.
he is a player who i think deserves the title of legend.
baggio has done those things, and is rightfully considered a legend. ale may not have done as much, but still he has done much of what i have said above, and is about to do more, as the years progress. he is the golden boy of juventus, and thats why I think he is special.
i dont think baggio doesnt deserve the praise he gets. i appreciate the fact that you support him with such fervour and zeal, but ale deserves his too.
denco himself stated that he didnt hate baggio. that in itself should be enough. dont try and change his opinion about him by arguing.
i dont mind when you get into spirited discussions. but the focus is trying to prove your point and express your opinion, not to change someone's opinion. i mean you can do that, but not by arguing. makes it kinda long and boring.
i mean i dont even read the posts here...they're so long lol!
I agree with you in most of the points.
But I do not want to make Denco likes Baggio, I really can't care less, I just don't understand why he has to run after all my post, when he can't deny Roby's a legend and espaecially why he start writing thinks like "he didn't make the difference to the Nt", "can't both create or score goals", ecc... well those are some of the thinks who really made him famos... It is the same as saying: "Vieri never scored a goal in his life" or something like this...
And an other thing, I naver said Del Piero is nothing 4 Juve, he's a player who never amazed me cause I don't find him so skillfull and cause he's actually not so involved in the game, he's most a finilizer, he do not create. And that's the reason why he was never good in the NT, cause he need a team like Juve to suppport him and to make him score. He is not that kind of player who do the difference, in the moments while is team "is not working", he will come out just when the team will make him do it.
DP is of course a Juve legend, the difference is that Baggio is a world legend. Here everybody support him, doesn't matter of which team they support, and he's the onlyone with who ever happened something like that! Than Juve fans love DP, Inter Vieri, Roma Totti, ecc... while everybody love Baggio, he's the simbol of the NT and of soccer in Italy. And he also the only Italian considered in the bests of soccer history.
You really can't compare those 2 situations!
But I do not want to make Denco likes Baggio, I really can't care less, I just don't understand why he has to run after all my post, when he can't deny Roby's a legend and espaecially why he start writing thinks like "he didn't make the difference to the Nt", "can't both create or score goals", ecc... well those are some of the thinks who really made him famos... It is the same as saying: "Vieri never scored a goal in his life" or something like this...
And an other thing, I naver said Del Piero is nothing 4 Juve, he's a player who never amazed me cause I don't find him so skillfull and cause he's actually not so involved in the game, he's most a finilizer, he do not create. And that's the reason why he was never good in the NT, cause he need a team like Juve to suppport him and to make him score. He is not that kind of player who do the difference, in the moments while is team "is not working", he will come out just when the team will make him do it.
DP is of course a Juve legend, the difference is that Baggio is a world legend. Here everybody support him, doesn't matter of which team they support, and he's the onlyone with who ever happened something like that! Than Juve fans love DP, Inter Vieri, Roma Totti, ecc... while everybody love Baggio, he's the simbol of the NT and of soccer in Italy. And he also the only Italian considered in the bests of soccer history.
You really can't compare those 2 situations!
well i dont mind you having your opinion. and i do believe that while del piero's brilliant flashes are few and far between, they are consistent.
ale doesnt need juve, juve needs ale because alessnadro del piero holds us together. thats what makes him special. and he has scored amazing goals too. without him we will fall apart. but thats my opinion. you can have yours.
i dont know if denco really did what you claim he did. its between you and him...
ciao
ale doesnt need juve, juve needs ale because alessnadro del piero holds us together. thats what makes him special. and he has scored amazing goals too. without him we will fall apart. but thats my opinion. you can have yours.
i dont know if denco really did what you claim he did. its between you and him...
ciao
Well... have you ever seen him in the NT?
He never made the difference there, and sometimes (WC 98, Euro 2000) saing that he was unuseful it's a compliment. He definitly is not this kind of player who can "make a team alone", if not why the only time he played outside of Juve (NT) he sucked?
Juventus is a team in wich the important think is the "group" and if ther's a determinant player is Nedved IMO, cause when he was not in the game DP and the others did'n have any occasions, and also cause ther's not any other playmaker with who he can be replaced.
But to play in Juventus you need to be "special" I will not deny it cause, also if it's easier to have occasions you are constantly under pressure and that's why good players like DV "bloks" themselfelf while other players like DP and Trez do what the are suppose to do.
About denco I don't care, really.
It will be a good think if he will stop running after almost all my posts, cause I understood his feelings 4 Baggio till the first day I joined the forum, and he doesn't need to repeat it dayly but he's free to do what he wants...
He never made the difference there, and sometimes (WC 98, Euro 2000) saing that he was unuseful it's a compliment. He definitly is not this kind of player who can "make a team alone", if not why the only time he played outside of Juve (NT) he sucked?
Juventus is a team in wich the important think is the "group" and if ther's a determinant player is Nedved IMO, cause when he was not in the game DP and the others did'n have any occasions, and also cause ther's not any other playmaker with who he can be replaced.
But to play in Juventus you need to be "special" I will not deny it cause, also if it's easier to have occasions you are constantly under pressure and that's why good players like DV "bloks" themselfelf while other players like DP and Trez do what the are suppose to do.
About denco I don't care, really.
It will be a good think if he will stop running after almost all my posts, cause I understood his feelings 4 Baggio till the first day I joined the forum, and he doesn't need to repeat it dayly but he's free to do what he wants...
Are you joking?
Do you think that that goal with Mexico means a good WC? Mexican player Borghetti did 2...
He played also vs Equador and Korea, remeber? He didn't suck like in WC 98 and Euro 2000, but he didn't make the difference either... with this I'm not saying he has any foult, cause all the team (but Vieri) did the same.
And about the latest match... better do not talk about it... Italy was so crappy! The fact that he made a goal vs Azerbajan, who actually is one of weackest NT of the world (no offence to Forza_ACMilan) and 2 freekicks of him ended on the net cause a header of 2 defenders from Yugoslavia and Galles doesn't mean he was a "brightest star" cause he did not do anything else, just loosing balls and let the others playing, like most of the team, not only him of course.
Do you think that that goal with Mexico means a good WC? Mexican player Borghetti did 2...
He played also vs Equador and Korea, remeber? He didn't suck like in WC 98 and Euro 2000, but he didn't make the difference either... with this I'm not saying he has any foult, cause all the team (but Vieri) did the same.
And about the latest match... better do not talk about it... Italy was so crappy! The fact that he made a goal vs Azerbajan, who actually is one of weackest NT of the world (no offence to Forza_ACMilan) and 2 freekicks of him ended on the net cause a header of 2 defenders from Yugoslavia and Galles doesn't mean he was a "brightest star" cause he did not do anything else, just loosing balls and let the others playing, like most of the team, not only him of course.