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[LoScoglio]

"But generally for this kind, first emisarries were sent to neighbouring contries with a message for their ruler to convert to islam, if they obliged then thats that. but if they didnt, an army would be sent to that country, demanding three things in order:
1-submit to islam
2-if not then, submit to the islamic country, and you will be free to practice ur religion as you wish, and will not be coerced to islam.
3- if not then, it is war"

So Rami agrees with me I think. The same thing cannot be found in christian belief. In christian belief there is no justification for the use of violence, in Islam there is. Even The Prophet himself used violence, where Jesus never did. Be that as it may in practice christians have shown to be far more agressive than muslims.

 

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[LoScoglio]

I had posted my opinion in another post in this thread. No one can prove anything. humans can either in a relligion or make an own vision of life, god etc. William of Ockham can not change this fact. He just represents a group of people who have their own vision.

I think William of Ockham agrees with you .

 

[LoScoglio]

I have to admit I really wonder what this very intolerant and offensive attitude of muslims on this forum can imply. In my backyard muslims have always been very nice and tolerant people, but I have to say the image I get of muslims on this forum (who unlike muslims in my country live in a muslim nation) give me a very negative image of Islam.

 

[Maresca]

I have to admit I really wonder what this very intolerant and offensive attitude of muslims on this forum can imply. In my backyard muslims have always been very nice and tolerant people, but I have to say the image I get of muslims on this forum (who unlike muslims in my country live in a muslim nation) give me a very negative image of Islam.

I can tell you why, The commitment of mulims to their relligion is much stronger than these of christians. for much of moslems it is not accepteble when somebody talkes about islam in a bad way.
I think that some people here really used bad method´s to descripe their opinoin about islam, this made some of muslims in this forum "angry". Using the words of "shit" and "fvck" is not the best way to discuss about relligion, not even for other topics

 

[Maresca]

I think William of Ockham agrees with you .

may be

 

[Vinman]

I can tell you why, The commitment of mulims to their relligion is much stronger than these of christians. for much of moslems it is not accepteble when somebody talkes about islam in a bad way. I think that some people here really used bad method´s to descripe their opinoin about islam, this made some of muslims in this forum "angry". Using the words of "shit" and "fvck" is not the best way to discuss about relligion, not even for other topics

I cannot agree with this....thats a pretty bold statement !!

Most of the Christians/Catholics here do get offended when idiots like Seven make stupids statements regarding our religion...and also about other religions.

You cannot possibly know how any of our committments are to our religion, so I think its best not to make such ridiculous statements

 

[Zé Tahir]

LoScoglio, first of all, read through this thread, and tell me which Muslim has been offensive or intolerant towards any athiest or agnostic. No one has!

Second, you are making bold statements over and over again. The fact that there is mention of Jihad/Holy War and none in the Bible tells you how detailed the Qur'an is. Do you know anything about the battle of Baadr? Do you know anything about the battle of Uhud? Do you know any history to any of the battles fought by the muslims under Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)? I seriously doubt you do, because then you wouldnt have said this

Even The Prophet himself used violence

Seriously, do not make statements you have no idea of. Do not take your petty class room knowledge as expertise and make nonchalant statements.

This goes to everyone, if you want to discuss/argue things, than bring forth valid questions. Comments like:
"Muslims are intolerant" do not take us anywhere and only creates fight. I don't understand how no one understands that. Then they all start saying "Why was that thread closed??!"..

ps: Loscolgio, you still haven't responded to my last post

 

[LoScoglio]

LoScoglio, first of all, read through this thread, and tell me which Muslim has been offensive or intolerant towards any athiest or agnostic. No one has!

Second, you are making bold statements over and over again. The fact that there is mention of Jihad/Holy War and none in the Bible tells you how detailed the Qur'an is. Do you know anything about the battle of Baadr? Do you know anything about the battle of Uhud? Do you know any history to any of the battles fought by the muslims under Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)? I seriously doubt you do, because then you wouldnt have said this



Seriously, do not make statements you have no idea of. Do not take your petty class room knowledge as expertise and make nonchalant statements.

This goes to everyone, if you want to discuss/argue things, than bring forth valid questions. Comments like:
"Muslims are intolerant" do not take us anywhere and only creates fight. I don't understand how no one understands that. Then they all start saying "Why was that thread closed??!"..

ps: Loscolgio, you still haven't responded to my last post

Actually you're the most intolerant of them all. I didn't expect you to understand my words.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Ok lol, you have no basis for your statements I presume. End of Discussion.

Stick to Juve

 

[LoScoglio]

Ok lol, you have no basis for your statements I presume. End of Discussion.

Stick to Juve

Some of your posts in this thread have shown there's no room for discussion as far as you care. Therefore I don't feel the necessity to start one. If you feel the need to know my stance on the subject, read the part I posted about William of Ockham.

 

[Hambon]

I cannot agree with this....thats a pretty bold statement !!

Most of the Christians/Catholics here do get offended when idiots like Seven make stupids statements regarding our religion...and also about other religions.

You cannot possibly know how any of our committments are to our religion, so I think its best not to make such ridiculous statements

I am with u vinman....u cannot say that people in one religion are more commited than others...that is very wrong

also people ...a proper discussion of any kind is not a brainstorming activity that u have in a class room or a board meeting....you need to come in with hard facts especially when discussing a touch subject like religion.....

 

[Hambon]

LoScoglio, first of all, read through this thread, and tell me which Muslim has been offensive or intolerant towards any athiest or agnostic. No one has!

Second, you are making bold statements over and over again. The fact that there is mention of Jihad/Holy War and none in the Bible tells you how detailed the Qur'an is. Do you know anything about the battle of Baadr? Do you know anything about the battle of Uhud? Do you know any history to any of the battles fought by the muslims under Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)? I seriously doubt you do, because then you wouldnt have said this



Seriously, do not make statements you have no idea of. Do not take your petty class room knowledge as expertise and make nonchalant statements.

This goes to everyone, if you want to discuss/argue things, than bring forth valid questions. Comments like:
"Muslims are intolerant" do not take us anywhere and only creates fight. I don't understand how no one understands that. Then they all start saying "Why was that thread closed??!"..

I agree with u totaly Ze ...not just because i am a muslim but valid justification is allways a must in such flamable topics such as religion.....either lets discuss it like gentlemen, or not at all........

 

[Maresca]

I cannot agree with this....thats a pretty bold statement !!

Most of the Christians/Catholics here do get offended when idiots like Seven make stupids statements regarding our religion...and also about other religions.

You cannot possibly know how any of our committments are to our religion, so I think its best not to make such ridiculous statements

My judgement to committments of christians to their relligion are based of my experience with christians here in germany. If the situation is different in your region , it is another case.
I talked about the intensity of committment to relligion to answer LoScoglio s claim that moslems are very "agrassive". After sevens Posts I did not see any Christian who was angry with seven. but the moslems were, because seven said: (I spit on all relligions). So why did not you deffend your relligion? I hope you understand what I mean.

 

[Hambon]

My judgement to committments of christians to their relligion are based of my experience with christians here in germany. If the situation is different in your region , it is another case.
I talked about the intensity of committment to relligion to answer LoScoglio s claim that moslems are very "agrassive". After sevens Posts I did not see any Christian who was angry with seven. but the moslems were, because seven said: (I spit on all relligions). So why did not you deffend your relligion? I hope you understand what I mean.

Very good point bro...off topic got any more pics of Giorgia Palmas??:eyebrows:

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Although I have never chosen to react before and although I mostly read only Juve related threads, this thread caught my eye and I would like to have my say in it.

First off I don't want to offend anyone. If people are offended with what I'm going to say now, I want to make it perfectly clear that that wasn't my intention. Since religious discussions are always going to be inflammable, I'll try to keep as neutral as possible towards other religions and beliefs.

What has become clear in this thread is that Islam simply does not acknowledge the fact, yes fact, God isn't a certainty. Moreover, stating you're not sure about God's existence is deemed a personal insult. To defend that rather agressive opinion we are told it says so in the Qu'raan. Of course you couldn't challenge the Qu'raan either and of course the Qu'raan was written by Allah. We aren't allowed to doubt that either.

Now I happen to be studying history at my university and I happen to be studying the Islam. What strikes me most is that Mohammed does have the intention of killing the unfaithful. Unlike christians, muslims were very intolerant at the beginning. Killing has always been judged by christians, but it hasn't been by muslims. Perhaps we could understand this very agressive muslim attitude of some people on this forum now. Later on, Islam would prove to be a far more tolerant religion than catholicism though and one would expect that it would still be today.

But I do believe the line has been crossed on this forum. When one isn't allowed to even doubt God's existence and one is deemed harsh, stupid and offensive for doing so, that's when free will is abolished. That's when extreme fundamentalism is born. That's when religion forms a big threat. That's when the most fundamental right is brutally attacked: your right to think whatever you want.

good one seven, oops i mean whatever your new name is. But seriously get a life.

 

[Shoryuken]

LoScoglio, first of all, read through this thread, and tell me which Muslim has been offensive or intolerant towards any athiest or agnostic. No one has!



Seriously, do not make statements you have no idea of. Do not take your petty class room knowledge as expertise and make nonchalant statements.


This goes to everyone, if you want to discuss/argue things, than bring forth valid questions.

The bottom red part is quite offensive if he understood it.


He didnt say anything wrong, he even explained he didnt want to offend anybody, if thats not inviting an intelligent discussion i dont know what does.

Blue, Tomorrow(or the day after) ill give you some valid arguments, too tired right now. Night..


Btw.. Loscoglio, you make some good points together with same false ones.

Welcome to the forum

 

[Hambon]

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[Shoryuken]

good one seven, oops i mean whatever your new name is. But seriously get a life.

Could that really be Seven? Im impressed if it is, none of his usual characteristics shows in his post. At least not that i can see.

 

[Hambon]

Could that really be Seven? Im impressed if it is, none of his usual characteristics shows in his post. At least not that i can see.

Its the new and improved Seven....welcome back!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Actually christian belief would condemn crusades. I'm sure that not too many christians today agree with the actions of medieval popes. They invented the concept of "bellum justum", just war. Whereas christian belief doesn't talk about holy wars, Islam doés talk about Jihad. You might want to pay attention before you make such a statement towards christians.

mmh someone forgot to attend old testament classes during their catechism. and actually the nomenclature of the technical term "Jihad" was done by christians in other languages, which duely mean tht they had compared the concept to something they are already familiar with. So really the fact is there's no such thing as "Holy war" in Islam.