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Science is mans explanation of the world...calculus has been around for many years and has been proven for many years...what your saying if i am correct is that you would if you read a Martha Stuart cookbook and flipped to page 7 and found out that you need seven apples for the apple pie...etc....that is not my point man.....all i am saying is damn...who would have been able to forcast such acurate info... and with such equality it makes you wonder...
i really enjoy your discussion martin ..your points are valid...but i just posted that to show how amazing the correlations are
would you?? come on man...use your noodle...those facts were just shown to show the corelations between science and religion and how amazing it is for a book several hundred years old to hold that much truth....this is no war between religions, and personally i welcome any truths or really anything about other religions.........one thing that i dislike is Untasteful or should i say un thought out remarks which are totally ignorant...
hambon78 said:
another reason for this thread to be closed....seven is a great guy...but these arguments bout religion tend to get really heated really quick...we are all here to discuss Juve,football and other cool stuff ....religion should not be discussed since it can get ugly
Btw. If I got reallly pissed I would take a 2 week ban just to be able to let some steam off...
I'm just pointing out that it's not fact at all.
I dislike the way people turning blind eyes about the weakness of the book and took some random stuff in the book as amazing truth.
here's some standard reply I got from father,imam, etc. when stuffs in those books totally out of content.(stuffs about jihad, etc...) "it has been misinterpreted by human".
I dislike the way people turning blind eyes about the weakness of the book and took some random stuff in the book as amazing truth.
here's some standard reply I got from father,imam, etc. when stuffs in those books totally out of content.(stuffs about jihad, etc...) "it has been misinterpreted by human".
About 2-4 years ago there was a man(scientist)who wrote a book about the secret patterns found in the bible(dont remember the name), he claimed he had found patterns that proved WW1 and WW2 was prophetsized in the Bible. Not only that he found patterns about the Great pyramids, Adolf hitler and a load of other stuff.
The book quickly became the nr 1 seller in the U.s.
Then a couple months later, a shitload of other scientist tried his methods on the Bible and a shitload of other books.
The found similar "prohecys" in Moby Dick, Mein Kampf, and Oliver Twist.
Sounds to me someone is just trying to make money of the Quran, and he will probably get away with it too.
The book quickly became the nr 1 seller in the U.s.
Then a couple months later, a shitload of other scientist tried his methods on the Bible and a shitload of other books.
The found similar "prohecys" in Moby Dick, Mein Kampf, and Oliver Twist.
Sounds to me someone is just trying to make money of the Quran, and he will probably get away with it too.
hambon78 said:
another reason for this thread to be closed....seven is a great guy...but these arguments bout religion tend to get really heated really quick...we are all here to discuss Juve,football and other cool stuff ....religion should not be discussed since it can get ugly
They don´t!
We have some more... Allah, Thor, Jupiter, Zeus, Buddah (i know.., he aint no god) and of course Vishnu...
To be serious:
People with inclusivist beliefs recognize some truth in all faith systems, highlighting agreements and minimizing differences, but see their own faith as in some way ultimate. Examples include:
From Hinduism:
A well-known Rig Vedic hymn stemming from Hinduism claims that "Truth is One, though the sages know it variously."
Krishna, incarnation or avatar of Vishnu, the supreme God in Hinduism, said in the Gita: In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry out their desires; men pursue My path, O Arjuna, in all ways. (Gita: 4:11);
Krishna said: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me." (Gita: 7:21-22)
Another quote in the Gita states: "O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship other lesser deities (e.g., Devas, for example) with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way because I am the Supreme Being. I alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services (Seva, Yajna) and Lord of the universe." (Gita: 9:23)
From Christianity:
Jesus said, "He who is not against me is for me." Mark 9:40.
The Apostle Peter wrote of God: "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
From Islam:
The Qur'an states: "Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way - except in the case of those of them who do wrong - saying, 'We have faith in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.'" (Holy Qur'an, Surat al-'Ankabut; 29:46)
"Among the people of the Book there are some who have faith in God and in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down to them, and who are humble before God. They do not sell God's Signs for a paltry price. Such people will have their reward with their Lord. And God is swift at reckoning." (Holy Qur'an, Surat Al 'Imran; 3:199)
"...You will find the people most affectionate to those who have faith are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Holy Qur'an, Surat al-Ma'idah; 5:82)
From Ayyavazhi
In Akilam Narayana said to Vaikundar: "I am the one who as God is worshiped by all sects and races" (Akilam 9:Vinchai)
Ayya states: "I will come in all scriptures" (Arul Nool)
From Judaism:
The Talmud states: "The righteous of all peoples have a place in the World-To-Come" (Tos. to Sanhedrin 13:2, Sifra to Leviticus 19:18), and affirms that the great majority of non-Jewish humanity will be saved, due to God's overwhelming mercy (BT Sanhedrin 105a).
The Torah mentions a number of righteous gentiles, including Melchizedek who presided at offerings to God that Abraham made (Gen. 14:18), Job, a pagan Arab of the land of Uz who had a whole book of the Hebrew Bible devoted to him as a paragon of righteousness beloved of God (see the book of Job), and the Ninevites, the people given to cruelty and idolatry could be accepted by God when they repented (see the Book of Jonah).
Rabbinic tradition asserts that the basic standard of righteousness was established in a covenant with Noah: anyone who keeps the seven commandments of this covenant is assured of salvation, no matter what their religion. This is standard Jewish teaching for the past two thousand years.
From the Bahá'í Faith:
Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith states: "The fundamental principle enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh, the followers of His Faith firmly believe, is that religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is a continuous and progressive process, that all the great religions of the world are divine in origin, that their basic principles are in complete harmony, that their aims and purposes are one and the same, that their teachings are but facets of one truth, that their functions are complementary, that they differ only in the nonessential aspects of their doctrines, and that their missions represent successive stages in the spiritual evolution of human society." (The Faith of Bahá'u'lláh in World Order, Vol. 7, No. 2 (1972-73))
We have some more... Allah, Thor, Jupiter, Zeus, Buddah (i know.., he aint no god) and of course Vishnu...
To be serious:
People with inclusivist beliefs recognize some truth in all faith systems, highlighting agreements and minimizing differences, but see their own faith as in some way ultimate. Examples include:
From Hinduism:
A well-known Rig Vedic hymn stemming from Hinduism claims that "Truth is One, though the sages know it variously."
Krishna, incarnation or avatar of Vishnu, the supreme God in Hinduism, said in the Gita: In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry out their desires; men pursue My path, O Arjuna, in all ways. (Gita: 4:11);
Krishna said: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me." (Gita: 7:21-22)
Another quote in the Gita states: "O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship other lesser deities (e.g., Devas, for example) with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way because I am the Supreme Being. I alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services (Seva, Yajna) and Lord of the universe." (Gita: 9:23)
From Christianity:
Jesus said, "He who is not against me is for me." Mark 9:40.
The Apostle Peter wrote of God: "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
From Islam:
The Qur'an states: "Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way - except in the case of those of them who do wrong - saying, 'We have faith in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.'" (Holy Qur'an, Surat al-'Ankabut; 29:46)
"Among the people of the Book there are some who have faith in God and in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down to them, and who are humble before God. They do not sell God's Signs for a paltry price. Such people will have their reward with their Lord. And God is swift at reckoning." (Holy Qur'an, Surat Al 'Imran; 3:199)
"...You will find the people most affectionate to those who have faith are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Holy Qur'an, Surat al-Ma'idah; 5:82)
From Ayyavazhi
In Akilam Narayana said to Vaikundar: "I am the one who as God is worshiped by all sects and races" (Akilam 9:Vinchai)
Ayya states: "I will come in all scriptures" (Arul Nool)
From Judaism:
The Talmud states: "The righteous of all peoples have a place in the World-To-Come" (Tos. to Sanhedrin 13:2, Sifra to Leviticus 19:18), and affirms that the great majority of non-Jewish humanity will be saved, due to God's overwhelming mercy (BT Sanhedrin 105a).
The Torah mentions a number of righteous gentiles, including Melchizedek who presided at offerings to God that Abraham made (Gen. 14:18), Job, a pagan Arab of the land of Uz who had a whole book of the Hebrew Bible devoted to him as a paragon of righteousness beloved of God (see the book of Job), and the Ninevites, the people given to cruelty and idolatry could be accepted by God when they repented (see the Book of Jonah).
Rabbinic tradition asserts that the basic standard of righteousness was established in a covenant with Noah: anyone who keeps the seven commandments of this covenant is assured of salvation, no matter what their religion. This is standard Jewish teaching for the past two thousand years.
From the Bahá'í Faith:
Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith states: "The fundamental principle enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh, the followers of His Faith firmly believe, is that religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is a continuous and progressive process, that all the great religions of the world are divine in origin, that their basic principles are in complete harmony, that their aims and purposes are one and the same, that their teachings are but facets of one truth, that their functions are complementary, that they differ only in the nonessential aspects of their doctrines, and that their missions represent successive stages in the spiritual evolution of human society." (The Faith of Bahá'u'lláh in World Order, Vol. 7, No. 2 (1972-73))
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