Moggi: I Wanted To Kill Myself (5 Viewers)

[isha00]

Interesting stuff Isha, i'm gonna try 2 summarize what u've been trying 2 say. correct me if i'm wrong:
- Giraudo was getting too powerful and the post-Umberto group were afraid Giraudo would take Juve away
- They collaborate with Rossi and Telecom Italia to bring down the Triade
- They accept the summer convictions because that was the plan from the start
- The reigns at Juve return to the post-Umberto group
- The post-Umberto group allow Juve to become Inter's Bitches, cos they know that a 2nd placed Juve is better than no Juve (Giraudo's Juve)

okay i might be way off but it makes alot of sense, wasnt there some kind of Rumor that Lapo Elkann was in charge of the ceremony when Inter were given Juve's scudetto?

Not exactly, I said that:

-Giraudo was in a bad relationship with Monetezemolo
-Giraudo was on the Umberto side of the family, while Montezemolo on the Gianni one
-Giraudo was gaining a lot of power
-Ifil wanted to get rid of the triade
-Montezemolo had the power to stop the scandal from happening, but didn't do anything
-Montezemolo is the one that "guides" the elkann's brothers actions
-The managment has to refer to (and is guided by) the Elkanns.

And I said it was quite strange and that I didn't know if Ifil had a real role in the scandal, but that surely they weren't too sad to see the Triade gone.

Any other supposition is up by you, cause I don't have anything that could back any of the ones that may come to my mind up :wink:

 

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[Ascension]

Love your avatar, Isha00. :heart2:

 

[denco]

Valdez and Cesar are both world class. You must be blindfolded not to see this.

Valdes is not considered at all in the running to ne spain's keeper, reina is termed the second best keeper of spain's team and i think Reina is ordinary whilst Dida is ahead of Julio Cesar for Brazil and you are telling me, having watched Valdes and Cesar, you actually believe that they are world class goal keeepers? There are very so many teams in world football both clubs and international that have better goal keepers. Usually when a team like Barcelona have had very sucessful seasons, the temptation is to cap or at least call up almost all their players whether on merit or not but Valdes is so ordinary that it has never happened.
By the way defending is an art not a skill, subtle difference
@ Isha , I am no more interested in going into a long debate with you as its fruitless.
Gazetta has been around for a long time, and presumambly they have been inter fans for a long time too but for some reason they choose now, after years of hurt to help in relegating Juventus

 

[Ascension]

So I take it you have seen neither Valdes nor Cesar?

Furthermore, tell me this: Do you think teams like Inter and Barcelona would accept a keeper that was not world class? Sure, once in 20 years their keeper is less great but right now any person with the slightest knowledge about football would see both of these keepers as world class.

 

[denco]

So I take it you have seen neither Valdes nor Cesar?

Furthermore, tell me this: Do you think teams like Inter and Barcelona would accept a keeper that was not world class? Sure, once in 20 years their keeper is less great but right now any person with the slightest knowledge about football would see both of these keepers as world class.

thats very cute, Barcelona are an attacking team and are not that bothered about how great their goal keeper is, they believe they will outscore you
You Inter comment however makes me wonder if youare in fact auditioning for a role in the next lampoon comedy as how else would you you be suggesting that Inter only go for world class players, they don't care if you are the best in the world or the worst in your family, they just buy players but of course if you think they are world class good luck to ya

 

[Ascension]

That's the old Inter you are talking about. This season is different. They bought Maxwell, Zlatan, Vieira, Crespo, Dacourt and so on.

As much as I as a Juventino is reluctant to say it, Inter are powerful now.

 

[denco]

That's the old Inter you are talking about. This season is different. They bought Maxwell, Zlatan, Vieira, Crespo, Dacourt and so on.

As much as I as a Juventino is reluctant to say it, Inter are powerful now.

Yes, it was really necessary to get Maxwell, with all the left full backs they have, and with all the strikers they have, Crespo was very necessary. I am not saying he is a bad buy but he was not necessary. And now i come to Dacourt what exactly was the point of getting him? The amount of central midfielders they have is not enough? This season is not different if you are talking about unnecessary buys as they would still have been leading by this amount of points without these buys cos their main rivals did not start at 0 with them. The acid test is Cl.

 

[Ascension]

I think it's safe to say I have never met a person I have disagreed more with than you, denco. It's nothing personal, we simply do not play on the same wavelength.

Or planet for that matter. :toast:

 

[JuveAdam]

Why would you pay 100m for a position that does not win you matches, it can guarantee you not getting beaten but it would not win you matches
Last season when we were on our good run and were winning almost every game, abbiati was actually the goal keeper , not buffon
Great as he is , 33m is too much for a goal keeper,

While I can fully understand your arguement about Canna & Emerson not being skillful, you are way off the mark to critisise Gigi and his transfer. A number of things you must understand before making such a comment.

1. BUFFON IS THE GREATEST GOALKEEPER OF ALL TIMES

2. The price is reasonable when we bought him all prices were inflated, players were going for silly somes the world over. Are you honestly saying you believe Gigi is not worth £2.3m more than Rio Ferdinand?

3. To buy the worlds best ever goalkeeper you need to give his club the reason to open negotiations. Would you expect Parma to sell him for £12m? They would have been lucky to get a replacement keeper for that, as it was we gave them a whole new team, with the money from Gigi & Thuram.

4. The whole footballing world knew we had huge amounts of money to spend, we had just set a record selling Zizou, & also managed to get another £20m from Milan for Inzaghi.

5. To compare Buffon to Valdes or Cesar is like comparing a Fiat Stilo to a Ferrari. Yes the Fiat will get you from A to B, yes its one of the safest cars in the world, yes its Italian & stylish, sadly a Ferrari is all that & more.

 

[Ascension]

It saddens me when people say Gigi is not the best EVER. It's so clear.

 

[ReBeL]

Moggi Calls For Drastic Measures


The former Juventus director, radiated from the Italian football scene following the Calciopoli scandal, has called on to the authorities to take harsh actions against those causing violence at the stadium following the Catania-Palermo incidents in which a policeman lost his life on Friday night.

Luciano Moggi had his say on the current Italian football state following the tragic incidents in Catania during the Sicilian derby against Palermo which cost the life of a policeman.

"We must think of tough measures, we must be drastic. It's not possible to think that the policemen are sent to the stadium risking their lives."

When asked if football was dead, Moggi replied philosophically.

"I won't say that football is dead, but it's its own victim. Right now drastic measures must be taken. The Federation Chief, Pancalli, did well in stopping football.

"However, things must go one, tangible things must be done. I remember that when the famous Pisanu decree was actuated, at first there was the will, but then nothing was made."

Goal.com

 

[3pac]

It saddens me when people say Gigi is not the best EVER. It's so clear.

Most retarded statement of the day int:

 

[Elvin]

Yeah, we can say that Buffon is the all time greatest goalkeeper IMHO.

I mean why not? Who is/was better?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Yeah, we can say that Buffon is the all time greatest goalkeeper IMHO.

I mean why not? Who is/was better?

chimi comes close

 

[3pac]

How can you rate the "greatest goal keeper ever" and not be subjective? IMO. it's impossible to claim that one is "clearly" the best, because there are so many factors that influence keepers. Quality of defenders, midfielders, and whoever is testing them. I really don't think it's possible to declare a best keeper ever, at least not to the extent that it is for other players, as their skills are much less put on display than other positions.

 

[3pac]

Yeah, we can say that Buffon is the all time greatest goalkeeper IMHO.

I mean why not? Who is/was better?

How do you intend to draw a comparison between him and Zoff?

 

[Dominic]

Yashin?

Not that i've ever seen him play .
You guys are just saying Buffon because he is playing now and more importantly playing at juventus right now.

 

[3pac]

Yashin?

Not that i've ever seen him play .
You guys are just saying Buffon because he is playing now and more importantly playing at juventus right now.

Exactly, but even given the fact Buffon is clearly very talented, I don't think it's possible to declare an all time greatest keeper.

 

[Dominic]

I agree.

 

[swag]

How can you rate the "greatest goal keeper ever" and not be subjective? IMO. it's impossible to claim that one is "clearly" the best, because there are so many factors that influence keepers. Quality of defenders, midfielders, and whoever is testing them. I really don't think it's possible to declare a best keeper ever, at least not to the extent that it is for other players, as their skills are much less put on display than other positions.

C'mon, Sebi. You're just pissed he didn't score for us last season.