i think it is, a small court case by the name calciopoli did bode well for my argument against yours.
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and the courts are always right especially those with a clash of interest. in the history of law can u seriously think the courts have always been right?
You always love to generalize. If one person says Criscito shouldn't start and another one misguided being says Criscito should go away, you think everyone does not want the boy to play. If one person says Moggi is the mastermind of the entire Calciopoli scandal, you think everybody else thinks so as well. You may think that these sort of generalizations help your argument, or you might not even know what you're doing when make them. Either way, neither help your cause and just make you look foolish.
Moggi may not have been the mastermind but he played a part in it, as everybody can see. Just because other clubs who supposedly were cheating the system were not sanctioned doesn't mean Moggi is any less of a cheat. You keep going on and on about Inter, we get the point, they probably had a hand in the whole thing as well. But it doesn't matter... Moggi still had dirty hands in the scandal, and that is partly why we were demoted. People have to get over Moggi and Calciopoli.
Moggi may not have been the mastermind but he played a part in it, as everybody can see. Just because other clubs who supposedly were cheating the system were not sanctioned doesn't mean Moggi is any less of a cheat. You keep going on and on about Inter, we get the point, they probably had a hand in the whole thing as well. But it doesn't matter... Moggi still had dirty hands in the scandal, and that is partly why we were demoted. People have to get over Moggi and Calciopoli.
ok so to clarify it this is the way i perceive it
moggi not an angel
moggi not the only one involved but instead being made an example of and used as a scapegoat for other guilty/suspicious associates like galliani
the perception im getting from what ive read in the last few pages
moggi is the devil and the antichrist - hes why juve got punished etc...
no mention of giraudo, rossi, faschetti, moratti etc...
moggi not an angel
moggi not the only one involved but instead being made an example of and used as a scapegoat for other guilty/suspicious associates like galliani
the perception im getting from what ive read in the last few pages
moggi is the devil and the antichrist - hes why juve got punished etc...
no mention of giraudo, rossi, faschetti, moratti etc...
Kaka, was no doubt a sensational bargain infact milan should get praised for that. Clubs like Milan, Real and possibily barca have always have influential in bringing brazilians, this is merely down to their reputation amongst them. Theres no denying its twice as difficult for us to attract similar type of players. However one major reason as to how milan instrumented the kaka deal was solely down to their former player leonardo, to be fair if it wasnt for leonardo and his influence generally in brazil, milan would have no chance, this is the same case with pato. For us to become a similar club as milan would go against what we stand for, this isnt only down to moggi but also prior to moggi, we just havent bought enough brazilians out there and dont quite have the phillosophy. One of the main purpose being obviously the non eu status and there remains a risk factor due to passport issues etc. Its worthwhile, but at the end of the day kaka, worked out well for milan and to be fair we are too far and always have been far behind clubs like milan when it comes to attracting brazilian talent. In other words we have always been in some sense unique, milan has brazilians, inter argentinians, whilst we have always adopted our own mentality and yes this was well before we ever had moggi.. thats not denying weve never had brazilians or come thereafter argentinians but its just more of a tradition. Uruguyans, has been a different case, to a certain extent but its more recent than anything I think Moggi was trying to follow the example of milan and inter by building a base their.
Deco to barca, was not a bargain, infact IMO it was a short term one but barca lost out BIG time on quaresma, infact quaresma is one of the best out there and is definetly worth twice or thrice more than deco. Ronaldinho to barca, well ronaldinho had an up and down season, he was great but really didnt have the best of times at his club PSG, everyone knew he talent but it was a risk which is why clubs like man utd didnt want to go to the extreme in buying him. Oh how he has proved everyone wrong. However if you look at barca's status (once again with latin players) and compare that with us, we couldnt cope with them on that level. Robinho, 30 mil euros and I still dont rate him his a little bit like denilson, it remains to be seen how far his career will go. Ronaldos transfer wasnt down to scouting whatsoever (rather a friendly enticed ferguson to buy him), everyone knew his a rising prodigy, but theres always a risk especially when you some spend some good money on a kid. So the question comes all down to, do you spend some big money on a rising star (who with one injury could have his career almost wrecked) or do you go (in most cases) for a rising star at a cheap price. Not saying Nedved came at a cheap price, but it was a quick fix, when you dont have a strong foundation of kids in the academy, then all you can do is look out for cheap rising stars, and in the mean time dig out deep to avoid the loss of big players. Big for big. I dont think I need to explain this further. In the end it all comes down to whose got contacts where, influence, and the ability to take a risk.
Just to add one final thing, We bought a player who turned into a golden ball winner, a player who proved many wrong and surprisingly still remains our biggest player today.. its sensational to think, we could have got someone else for the same price and he would have been as good. 6 seasons at that age makes you wonder.. or maybe as bruce says the price is right.
For your sarcasm, Milito is 20.5 euros. We could have got him, and yes possibily even cheaper... We tried negotiating even during a time when copa america started.. I say no more
Deco to barca, was not a bargain, infact IMO it was a short term one but barca lost out BIG time on quaresma, infact quaresma is one of the best out there and is definetly worth twice or thrice more than deco. Ronaldinho to barca, well ronaldinho had an up and down season, he was great but really didnt have the best of times at his club PSG, everyone knew he talent but it was a risk which is why clubs like man utd didnt want to go to the extreme in buying him. Oh how he has proved everyone wrong. However if you look at barca's status (once again with latin players) and compare that with us, we couldnt cope with them on that level. Robinho, 30 mil euros and I still dont rate him his a little bit like denilson, it remains to be seen how far his career will go. Ronaldos transfer wasnt down to scouting whatsoever (rather a friendly enticed ferguson to buy him), everyone knew his a rising prodigy, but theres always a risk especially when you some spend some good money on a kid. So the question comes all down to, do you spend some big money on a rising star (who with one injury could have his career almost wrecked) or do you go (in most cases) for a rising star at a cheap price. Not saying Nedved came at a cheap price, but it was a quick fix, when you dont have a strong foundation of kids in the academy, then all you can do is look out for cheap rising stars, and in the mean time dig out deep to avoid the loss of big players. Big for big. I dont think I need to explain this further. In the end it all comes down to whose got contacts where, influence, and the ability to take a risk.
Just to add one final thing, We bought a player who turned into a golden ball winner, a player who proved many wrong and surprisingly still remains our biggest player today.. its sensational to think, we could have got someone else for the same price and he would have been as good. 6 seasons at that age makes you wonder.. or maybe as bruce says the price is right.
For your sarcasm, Milito is 20.5 euros. We could have got him, and yes possibily even cheaper... We tried negotiating even during a time when copa america started.. I say no more
you go on being biased and find a escape from the argument.. 
it's not our tradition to sign Brazilian players, what a bullshit, our scouts hear and see about Kaka, and they have the opportunity to sign him for peanuts, but nooo! they think for a moment, hmm, no let's not sign him, he is a Brazilian, it's not Juve's tradition. same for evey Argentinian talents out there, even if they can sign him for free, but no they refuse to sign, "IT IS NOT JUVE'S TRADITION"..
are you aware what are you typing???
it's not our tradition to sign Brazilian players, what a bullshit, our scouts hear and see about Kaka, and they have the opportunity to sign him for peanuts, but nooo! they think for a moment, hmm, no let's not sign him, he is a Brazilian, it's not Juve's tradition. same for evey Argentinian talents out there, even if they can sign him for free, but no they refuse to sign, "IT IS NOT JUVE'S TRADITION"..
are you aware what are you typing???
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOGGI AS HE IS GUILTY AND WAS ONE OF THE DIRTY CRIMINALS THAT RUINED THE WHOLE LEAGUE AND BROUGHT SHAME TO CALCIO, WE WANT A CLEAN JUVE OUT OF THOSE CRIMINALS LIKE YOU MENTIONED.
got it? We are not discussing about Moggi being the only cheater, I want a football free of the likes of Moggi.
I rarely type in capitals, but this one maybe realizes you to understand what everyone is arguing about..
got it? We are not discussing about Moggi being the only cheater, I want a football free of the likes of Moggi.
I rarely type in capitals, but this one maybe realizes you to understand what everyone is arguing about..
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