Miralem Pjanić (9 Viewers)

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Aug 27, 2008
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Bit of an exaggeration. That's not like you, Nick.

We can hardly cry about all the goals we concede from corners and then somehow play down the ones we score. It's brilliant to have that kind of threat. Did you see the couple of times we tried a shorter corner routine last night? Both ended up with them countering us. Putting the opposition on the back foot is surely the entire purpose of a corner.
I don't think anything irks me more in a football game than short corners. Even during the Conte times we played them and it was horrible then and it's horrible now.
 

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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The "padding stats" BS that some fans go on about is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, let's downplay and denigrate a player who regularly scores or assists goals, even if they "just" happen to be from set pieces, like it matters. EA FIFA syndrome.
Indeed it's laughable, especially when said skill is precisely finding 1 player to score in huddle of 20 players fighting for the ball in a little box, and doing it with effortless precision (3 corner assists in 2 games), that's decisive quality.


Even if I thought it's harsh too, since not all are great or calm enough at it, I could understand people saying it's easy or padding stats like to score penalty kicks (someone has to do it and it's the one who the coldest) , but when that blanket statement is said for all set pieces is when it loses me. Lazer freekicks and corners are super niche skills no matter who does it.

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DutchJuventino

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Apr 9, 2015
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He needs to step up in the field i agree, but he has already 5 goals and 6 assists, that's insane. He is a big part in our scoring ability and that is important enough to start him in big matches. He only needs to work on his defensive tasks and work-ethic.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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It's not that laughable. The stats only tell half the story of Pjanic as a player. It makes him seem more useful than he really is.
It doesn't say the whole story, but assisting from corners brings home the bacon just as much as doing it from open play, dismissing the former like its nothing is what's laughable.

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Hust

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May 29, 2005
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He needs to step up in the field i agree, but he has already 5 goals and 6 assists, that's insane. He is a big part in our scoring ability and that is important enough to start him in big matches. He only needs to work on his defensive tasks and work-ethic.
5 goals and 6 assists and people are complaining?

Tuz :touched:

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For years we have used short corners and nothing good has come of it. Now we have a specialist (2 with dybala) to give us another thing for teams to have to think about.

Fucking tough crowd some of you
 

DutchJuventino

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Apr 9, 2015
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Scoring goals from 'fieldplay' is maybe more fancy, but a goal is a goal. I don't give a fuck how we win the CL final. Scoring a corner or a beautiful attack. I don't care, if we win it's ok and if Pjanic contribute to that win he is good enough for Juventus.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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It's not the same with Pogba, Pogba has flaws and requires tactical babysitting, but besides being complete as fuck in skillset, he is also pretty much a give me the ball and gtfo kinda top player. He won't ever hide from responsibility and being the go to guy (and he was like that since the first second of his debute for us), the attitude of the best and those who want to be the best. He has destroyed many teams for us because of that attitude and insane skillset. While Pjanic who is obviously completely different player, is still very different mentality, really seems to shun the responsibility of taking command and taking that extra step forward out of the herd.



And what kind of silly question is that, Nainggolan is fantastic, who would say no to him, guy seems dumb but is great at what he does.

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I meant that both players thrive when they are babysit in a way, and can really make the difference.
Pogba also never had a full game at full quality, he too did it in bursts. Plenty of games in which he wasent doing much but suddenly came the decisive action from him.

Completely different players, but exactly the same in that way

I asked because i like Nainggolan, but surprisingly few agree

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5 goals and 6 assists and people are complaining?

Tuz :touched:

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For years we have used short corners and nothing good has come of it. Now we have a specialist (2 with dybala) to give us another thing for teams to have to think about.

Fucking tough crowd some of you
Reading this made me realise just how few goals we score from corners since Conte came here

And suddenly, Pjanic
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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5 goals and 6 assists and people are complaining?

Tuz :touched:

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For years we have used short corners and nothing good has come of it. Now we have a specialist (2 with dybala) to give us another thing for teams to have to think about.

Fucking tough crowd some of you
While his numbers should be appreciated, he can and should do better in general play
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Would we have scored those 11 goals if he didn't play?

I support Dominic's concerns, despite my regional bias for Pjanic. He is a big, perhaps the main reason why our midfield isn't functioning well. For some reason he and the other midfielders do not complement each other. This has a domino effect on the performance of our attackers, mainly Higuain, who are not able to give their best.

To get back to the question I asked at the top of this post. I don't think that this year, with this squad and these injuries, we would have scored those 11 goals with someone else from the current crew playing instead of Pjanic. We simply lack quality. But half as talented player, who can impose himself and who complements Marchisio and Khedira better, can result with smoother play and more goals for the team. This player will not have Pjanic's 5+6 goals and assists, but if the midfield clicks, then our attackers' numbers will be much better.

We don't have that right now, though, so I'm wholeheartedly taking those set piece goals and assists.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Agreed with every word. Imo the answer will be, as harsh as it may sound, taking Khedira out of the equation next season. Just too unbalanced to play him and Pjanic together, the latter has the "stat padding" goals and assists, while Khedira is more replaceable in comparison.

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Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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In the best scenario, he sorts this out and doesn't depend on playing with better players to deliver for a full 90 minutes

Soon enough he'll be accustomed to the club's mentality, hopefully that will be enough
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Agreed with every word. Imo the answer will be, as harsh as it may sound, taking Khedira out of the equation next season. Just too unbalanced to play him and Pjanic together, the latter has the "stat padding" goals and assists, while Khedira is more replaceable in comparison.

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Who would you realistically replace him with, but you cannot answer Vidal ?
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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His stats are impressive. But I have an impression that some of them came in "easy" games, when we already had it in the bag. I'm not sure though. But it's the exact opposite feeling to Higuains goals - most are decisive as fuck. If anyone cares to check..

It does relieves his poor dynamic and participation on team play. But be sure that as soon as he plays like a ghost again, criticism will soar, and deservedly so. His set pieces ability is relevant, but we need more from him, absolutely.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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Would we have scored those 11 goals if he didn't play?

I support Dominic's concerns, despite my regional bias for Pjanic. He is a big, perhaps the main reason why our midfield isn't functioning well. For some reason he and the other midfielders do not complement each other. This has a domino effect on the performance of our attackers, mainly Higuain, who are not able to give their best.

To get back to the question I asked at the top of this post. I don't think that this year, with this squad and these injuries, we would have scored those 11 goals with someone else from the current crew playing instead of Pjanic. We simply lack quality. But half as talented player, who can impose himself and who complements Marchisio and Khedira better, can result with smoother play and more goals for the team. This player will not have Pjanic's 5+6 goals and assists, but if the midfield clicks, then our attackers' numbers will be much better.

We don't have that right now, though, so I'm wholeheartedly taking those set piece goals and assists.
Agreed with every word. Imo the answer will be, as harsh as it may sound, taking Khedira out of the equation next season. Just too unbalanced to play him and Pjanic together, the latter has the "stat padding" goals and assists, while Khedira is more replaceable in comparison.

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Pjanic behind the strikers.

Problem solved.
Coudnt Agree more with you 3.

We do this and w will be a different team.

Khedira needs to go, really.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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Khedira is fine FFS, stop over-exaggerating. Just wait til we finally have a fucken full team (for once) and get to use them in the 4-3-1-2 before judging. No doubt we need more quality in midfield, but this culture of "X player hasn't played well in a few games, lets sell" is insane. Patience people.

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Scoring goals from 'fieldplay' is maybe more fancy, but a goal is a goal. I don't give a fuck how we win the CL final. Scoring a corner or a beautiful attack. I don't care, if we win it's ok and if Pjanic contribute to that win he is good enough for Juventus.
Exactly. Penalties, freekicks, headers, tap-ins, screamers from 30M, team-goals with every single outfield player combining...a goal is a goal is a goal.
 

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