Minneapolis Bridge Collapse (3 Viewers)

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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My bad, I'm getting confused with such words these days, because in Italian it's pretty clear when you have to write one t, whereas it isn't in Dutch or English.

The thing is, the media seem to stress the fact people went in the water and saved others. That has no importance whatsoever. What's important is that a bridge collapsed and it shouldn't have. Honestly, here in Belgium we'd be out asking for blood. I'm not saying that isn't medieval, but it does get you somewhere, because in the end those things happen less and less. Our Prime Minister would have to quit his job the next day.
That typically depends on what media provider you're listening to. More of a problem, in my opinion, is that people more than 300 miles away probably don't give a shit about the incident, as witnessed by the amount of bullshit in this thread (which is mainly my fault.) I see so many "major disasters" on the news everyday that I've become de-sensitized.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
I always wondered why Americans went that route with houses. In Europe, buildings are built to last for centuries. In America, buildings are built to last 20 years. I guess it is all about the profit one can make in constantly turning over the property.

So . . . is Greed to blame . . . or is it . . . Jesus?
Whichever reason it might have been (and to me it looks like Jesus is to blame yet again), it wasn't the climate.

I admire the American ability to swallow certain things, get on with your job and try to make the best out of any situation, but at some point you have to protest. 9/11 had many reasons and it's clear you can't really blame the American government there, but events like New Orleans, the Virginia Tech Murders and now this can be prevented.

They're not at all as "unlucky" as some make them out to be. The way I see it, the media in America seem to obsessed with the aftermath. They tell tales of victims and saviours. But the American public swallows all that bullshit. In truth you should be asking how the hell it's possible in the first place. And not once.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,949
Funny thing is that the Premiership actually is the best league in the world. This is the opinion of me.
the truth is, fans of the league they follow will all say that theirs is the best in the world, simply because the style is what they like. modestly i dont believe theres an ACTUAL best league in the world, some prefer attacking play, others defensive, theres the technical,tactical,mental. I will state that the italian league is now again at its best simply because of its pedigree, physical aspects, the mentality involved etc...
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
The technical level in the Premiership is underrated imo. Until Serie A gets back to where it was I think the EPL is definitely the best.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
The technical level in the Premiership is underrated imo. Until Serie A gets back to where it was I think the EPL is definitely the best.
Not that I'm willing to actually participate in this discussion here, but:

people underrate the Premiership's pace. Sure, sometimes it looks as if the players are clumsy, but it all goes way faster than in Italy or Spain. It's easy to look good if you have all the time in the world.
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
Not that I'm willing to actually participate in this discussion here, but:

people underrate the Premiership's pace. Sure, sometimes it looks as if the players are clumsy, but it all goes way faster than in Italy or Spain. It's easy to look good if you have all the time in the world.
That's why I don't rate La Liga. It's slow and it doesn't have the physicality of Serie A.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,949
Not that I'm willing to actually participate in this discussion here, but:

people underrate the Premiership's pace. Sure, sometimes it looks as if the players are clumsy, but it all goes way faster than in Italy or Spain. It's easy to look good if you have all the time in the world.
teams in england and spain cant defend or close down aswell as they do in italy hence why its a faster pace. last year i could admit serie A was crap as there was no pedigree, but this season, lines up to be the tastiest ive seen for as long as i can remember watching serie A, i want to see teams like Juve,genoa,napoli,milan the greats all in 1 division
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Whichever reason it might have been (and to me it looks like Jesus is to blame yet again), it wasn't the climate.

I admire the American ability to swallow certain things, get on with your job and try to make the best out of any situation, but at some point you have to protest. 9/11 had many reasons and it's clear you can't really blame the American government there, but events like New Orleans, the Virginia Tech Murders and now this can be prevented.

They're not at all as "unlucky" as some make them out to be.
This is very true!

I know where this thread is going, pro and anti America "war". And I won't take any side, cause it is not my concern, and is my least favorite topics. But yeah, I totally understand what are you talking about. 9/11 had obvious reasons, and probably uglier to come the next years. This is what you get when you play it dirty all the years, this is what happens when you piss a group in their own lands thousands of Kilo meters away from your home. If everyone mind their own country and stay there, no ugly incidents like these would happen.

9/11 is really an over reaction. It is nothing to compare with what's going on around the world. Iraqi people are dreaming If a rat like Saddam was alive and still ruling the country in that ugly dictatorship way, trust me those days were like heaven comparing to now (I hear these from every Iraqi Customer I meet).

I agree with you totally about the drama American or other Media use to focus/brainwash people's mind away from the reason. They teach you to hate Arabs and Muslims and all instead of understanding or explaining why a group would kill themselves and went that mad to do actions like these. Find the reasons people, that's how you solve the problem for next time, and not the outcome, what is done is done, try to live with that and FIX IT! Sitting in front of TV and crying like old women doesn't solve anything.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
I've attacked my government before and I will attack them again. Bush dropped the ball with the Katrina debacle, as well as local and state authorities. Anybody can see that.

I'm just tired of dealing with nonsensical notions such as everything Americans do is inferior to those across the pond. In all honesty, that's the only issue, along with Bush, you ever go on about. And frankly, it's tiring.
Not everything Americans do is inferior, but this is a structural error and it won't just go away. If you want to be a patriot, you might want to stand up against this nonsense and demand some measures to be taken.

Apparently you also fail to see that I love movies from the Coen Brothers and that I'm actually quoting Hemingway in my signature.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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The EPL was obviously always amongst the best, but with the recent (in my opinion) decline of competition in La Liga (where the hell are deportivo and valencia lately?), and the disastrous changes in Serie A, the EPL is undoubtedly the highest quality league around at the moment.
Kind of sad, really. We're basically saying that the EPL is the best league in the world because the others found a way to f*ck it up.

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Houses were washed away at New Orleans FFS. A system that was made to keep the water out failed horribly. That hasn't got anything to do with the environment, that's just poor building.
New Orleans is barely part of this country. Sheeet, they have parishes instead of counties down there, they half speak a different language, they are tops in the U.S. in superfund sites, and they typically have the worst education rates and schools in the country.

You're lumping together Rodeo Drive with South Central L.A., bub. :lol2:

Ever since I found out that the United States of America demolished their own World Trade Center tours I've been a huge fan of their government. That shit takes balls.
And we took out the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, and we're coming after the Home Depot Center, dammit! :faq2:

I always wondered why Americans went that route with houses. In Europe, buildings are built to last for centuries. In America, buildings are built to last 20 years. I guess it is all about the profit one can make in constantly turning over the property.

So . . . is Greed to blame . . . or is it . . . Jesus?
It's like Eddie Izzard said about history in Florida ... "Here this historical hotel has been on this site for fifty years!" :shocked2:

events like New Orleans, the Virginia Tech Murders and now this can be prevented.
Not to be callous, but I will anyway -- since you're typically the standard bearer here on this account, Andries. But the deaths in New Orleans or Va Tech amount to a molehill compared to the mountain of mortuary work we do in this country just from our industrialized Triple Whopper Death Factory (tm).

The way I see it, the media in America seem to obsessed with the aftermath. They tell tales of victims and saviours. But the American public swallows all that bullshit. In truth you should be asking how the hell it's possible in the first place. And not once.
The media is obsessed. But they're desperate. They've always needed glimpses of the freeway carnage to pull in interest. And bored Americans eat that crap up. But hey -- I don't watch American Idol, so what do I know about all my neighbors?

But then again, you've got Frenchies who obsess over the British Royal family to this day. And they last time they had their own, they cut their heads off. How twisted is that?

But yes -- I immediately asked how it was possible in the first place. It seemed pretty insanely fantastic, really. And if it didn't, that's when it wouldn't be such a rarity. Because if it were as common as you seem to think, it would be a non-story.

But Alexi Lalas said that MLS was the best in the world, and Alexi is never wrong.
:lol2: He is right, you know.

But I heard a commentator say that the Premiership was the best on my TV and television never lies.
:lol2: :lol2:

Oh, this is getting good.

9/11 had obvious reasons, and probably uglier to come the next years. This is what you get when you play it dirty all the years, this is what happens when you piss a group in their own lands thousands of Kilo meters away from your home. If everyone mind their own country and stay there, no ugly incidents like these would happen.
Man, you're as bad as all the Americans who think they can isolate the psyche of why "all Muslims become terrorists" blah blah blah. To argue that 9/11 was mere cause-and-effect, pure nutcases aside, is as foolish as arguing that Islam is cause-and-effect to violence and murder, pure nutcases aside. There's a fine line between the explanation of people being fuck*d up criminals and the explanation that there was some much bigger higher order and plan for divine retribution.

You see that backwards thinking all the time when an earthquake hits 40 miles from San Francisco, the Christian religious freaks go into hyper-analysis overdrive, and the next thing you learn that god is punishing gays even when "He's" really screwing over über-Catholic migrant farmworkers from Mexico in the Santa Cruz mountain hills by the epicenter.

Just this week, a famous 33-year-old chef in Chicago who founded a renowned restaurant called Alinea was diagnosed with a form of cancer of the mouth. He was famous for introducing a form of new cuisine perfected by Ferran Adria of El Bulli in Spain called "molecular gastronomy" -- basically chemical decomposition of food and repurposed into weird forms like foams, suspensions, etc. So what do all these educated palates do? They start claiming that the food gave him cancer. "Must have been the tomato foam that gave him cancer of the mouth."

Talk about the brain going back to the dark ages of evolution where we smeared our crap on cave walls for art. When we looked at comets in the sky and associated them to divine retribution and cosmic annihilation.

Sometimes there's isn't this mystical, higher order and rational explanation for why fuck*d up sh*t happens. Sometimes people are just clearly fuck*d in the head. Ask most serial killers -- you're never going to get a logical, cause-and-effect answer for their actions.

They teach you to hate Arabs and Muslims and all instead of understanding or explaining why a group would kill themselves and went that mad to do actions like these. Find the reasons people, that's how you solve the problem for next time, and not the outcome, what is done is done, try to live with that and FIX IT! Sitting in front of TV and crying like old women doesn't solve anything.
But that's a cop-out, snoop. You just took individual decision-making and will and thrown it out the window. As long as people keep believing there's some magic key that will suddenly unlock and stop Muslim terrorists from blowing themselves up and everything around them, people will continue to believe that there's some magic formula that can flip Muslims from being good people or bad people.

This is as much a political fantasy as believing poverty is the cause of terrorism and therefore no Muslim doctors would ever hatch a bad London bombing plot. Blaming America for 9/11 involves as much childish critical thinking as blaming Islam for terrorists.
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
Here's a problem with america: our healthcare fucking sucks. 4 hours ago my friend called me asking me to give him a ride to a local health clinic. he got something caught in his eye and it was scratching his cornea to pieces, so i picked him up and found out he had no medical insurance due to his being in-between jobs. i took him to what's known as the only free general health clinic in the area, and they flat out told us they couldn't help him, and gave us the address of another clinic. i drove him to the second clinic, who told us that "we arent a health clinic? this is a immunization group". they told us we should visit a certain health clinic...funnily enough it was the same one that had sent us there. after telling them that, they sent us to another supposed health clinic, and after i drive over there, they inform us that my friend cannot receive treatment without insurance. I told them that I was under the impression that's WHY we have general health clinics, but apparently I'm wrong. In the end, I had no choice but to take him to the major hospital emergency room, where they washed out his eye and wrote him a prescription, for which he's probably going to have to pay a couple thousand dollers.

he's 20, unemployed, and lives on his own. i think that's a minor problem with the US of A.
 

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