Minneapolis Bridge Collapse (4 Viewers)

[The Pado]

@ ReBel - I've been hearing of "Terrorism" for all my life. The earliest use I can recall was in describing the events of a 1950's rebelllion in Bogota, Colomba referred to as "The Bogatazo".

Then, since I was terrorized every day of my youth by a sadisitc older brother, I have always considered myself a victim of terrorism.

Frankly, people around the world should be more afraid of the filthy germs found in public bathrooms than of some face-less intolerant Muslim out to kill everyone that doesn't think like him . . . or of a weel-known Anal Cannon set on "kill".

 

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[The Pado]

@Swag - Support Greenland's independence . . . bomb Mongolia!

 

[Rami]

Good conspiracy theory. I like. But someone would have claimed responsibility by now then.



If OBL was all about Palestine, than I clearly do not understand why America -- a secondary target -- was chosen over a primary target in Israel. It's that simple.

Well, OBL in numerous times said that America is the "head of the serpent", and cutting that off would solve all the Arabs problems, according to him. But thats just foolish to think that a country would fall to it's knees with a terrorist attack or two. To him America and Israel are the same and synonymous. IIRC, I remember him saying that "America and Israel are two rays of light coming out of the same lamp".

The question of free will isn't about whether some chose to do so and some don't. It's the notion that some were merely compelled to do so by outside forces, and thus they aren't capable of controlling themselves. That the focus of blame or cause is pointed externally to them and not internally to them.

I really don' understand that last line there. But Greg all this is philosophical to me. Because I don't see any loons bombing up Rio or Caracas, neither do I see them doing it in Tokyo. That must be an indication that the American policy got something wrong, doesn't it?

 

[Seven]

I first heard it in the early 1970s when there was a rash of airline hijackings, the Munich hostage situation, and a number of bombings in Northern Ireland.



Uhhh... try the French Revolution of the 1780s:





Since when have Muslims tried to lay claim to a monopoly on terrorism? Basque separatists, the IRA, etc. -- none of them are Muslim, and they've been doing a fine job of terrorism on their own for years.



There is the role of retards -- I know. We have no shortage of them here. People who blindly follow without questioning or applying rational thought. In fact, we have a whole political party here based on that premise.

But those tend not to be the leaders or folks who really do anything ... other than make nice photo op material, make noise in the streets, and wave placards or burn flags. Not exactly innocuous, but they don't even count as mere cogs in the global terrorism machine.

TBH the "La Terreur"-regime of Robespierre and the lot between 1792 and 1794 has got little to do with terrorism. Pretty much nothing really. I doubt it was "invented" back then anyway. The word has existed much longer.

Oddly enough it's Bush and his administration who seem to monopolise terrorism. People so easily forget that it has always been part of human society. ETA, IRA and others existed long before 9/11. Yet now they have it, that when we think of terrorism, we see a bearded Arabian.

It's a simple question of creating an enemy. I'm not saying 9/11 was a trick, it most definitely wasn't and anyone who claims so is a complete retard, but it did come in handy. The only objection I'd have is the fact you can't actually WIN the War on Terror. You see, there's always going to be some guy who blows himself up. You can't beat that.

 

[Seven]

Actually, there's a lot of people wondering if metal stress failures may be the cause -- since we have bridges made prior to the 1960s when far fewer cars were on the road and they are particularly hard to diagnose at that minute a level in the joints.

And I believe the last and only time Belgium had 200,000 cars per day driving over their bridges was when the Nazis came to town. :doh:

That's not a point at all. There are more people in America, which means there are more bridges but also more people to care for them. I'm willing to believe that the odd abandoned bridge somewhere in the mountains is hard to fix every other year, but we're talking about heavy traffic here. It's simply put a scandal.

 

[David01]

this tragedy has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism, US is a big country and I think it is hard and expensive to have all infrastructure at the same level. I also think there has been way to much talk of 9/11, personaly I think it was the best that could happen to Bush as this gave him the chance to gain popularity by acting tough. We all know he blew it anyway but he convinced his country they had an ernemy to beat. He has made some fatal errors, invading Iraq under false pretences, underestimating Katrina in N.O...
I have lived in rural Ohio myself and I can tell you the people in the country hardly know what is going on in cities like LA or NY let alone in the rest of the world. They genuinly believe they are liberating Iraqi's from evil. Seven is right when he says that any prime minister in Belgium would have had to resign after all those screw-ups. Bush hasn't made the world any safer on the contrary. He didn't invent terrorism but surely was responsible for the majority of incidents we see today.
He is only lucky that this latest catastrophy was a fluke accident, there seem to be no blacks involved so the help should arrive fast. Thank god we will get rid of him shortly now.

 

[Snoop]

It's a simple question of creating an enemy. I'm not saying 9/11 was a trick, it most definitely wasn't and anyone who claims so is a complete retard, but it did come in handy.

Never say that, nothing in wars or politics is crystal clear or obvious. We don't know any shit about it, we are just following media (that are soooo trust able)..

 

[ReBeL]

If OBL was all about Palestine, than I clearly do not understand why America -- a secondary target -- was chosen over a primary target in Israel. It's that simple.

There is nothing called "secondary target" as this country supports the primary target without thinking of its own sakes in the region:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

When the only voters in UN are USA and Israel in favour of Israel, then you have a very hard mission to convince people in this region that those two countries don't have the same agenda.

@ ReBel - I've been hearing of "Terrorism" for all my life. The earliest use I can recall was in describing the events of a 1950's rebelllion in Bogota, Colomba referred to as "The Bogatazo".

Then, since I was terrorized every day of my youth by a sadisitc older brother, I have always considered myself a victim of terrorism.

Frankly, people around the world should be more afraid of the filthy germs found in public bathrooms than of some face-less intolerant Muslim out to kill everyone that doesn't think like him . . . or of a weel-known Anal Cannon set on "kill".

Yes, Pado. My point was "Since when terror was linked with Muslims??"

I have lived in rural Ohio myself and I can tell you the people in the country hardly know what is going on in cities like LA or NY let alone in the rest of the world. They genuinly believe they are liberating Iraqi's from evil. Seven is right when he says that any prime minister in Belgium would have had to resign after all those screw-ups. Bush hasn't made the world any safer on the contrary. He didn't invent terrorism but surely was responsible for the majority of incidents we see today.

Exactly.

Even I don't think the World will be any better without Bush. It will be the same but with other faces.

 

[joe5]

When the only voters in UN are USA and Israel in favour of Israel, then you have a very hard mission to convince people in this region that those two countries don't have the same agenda.

They seem to be more as one country than two diferent countries, that's why they have the same angenda. US unbrace the UN to make more easier it's imposition in Balcans & Middle East. After that they spread silly excuses to perfom their imperialistic policy that doesn't applyed the same for all the countries of the world. See for example the pressure that UN exert against the Nuclear program of Iran while they don't make even a coment for the Nuclear arsenal of Israel. I am against any nuclear program for any country worldwide but i don't like to see two measures and two standarts.

Exactly.

Even I don't think the World will be any better without Bush. It will be the same but with other faces.

Very True

 

[swag]

@Swag - Support Greenland's independence . . . bomb Mongolia!

And after that, I'm still ready to go up there with some blow-torches after strapping Sepp Blatter to the Maeslantkering gates.

Well, OBL in numerous times said that America is the "head of the serpent", and cutting that off would solve all the Arabs problems, according to him. But thats just foolish to think that a country would fall to it's knees with a terrorist attack or two. To him America and Israel are the same and synonymous. IIRC, I remember him saying that "America and Israel are two rays of light coming out of the same lamp".

I guess I still don't get it. If I have all this resentment and anger over my neighbor's illegal occupation of my backyard, I focus my attention by going after his mortgage company located across the country? That's just way too compartmentalized. If the focus was really about Palestine, it would take an insane amount of (misdirected?) restraint not to go after the primary target of Israel at all.

Sheesh. Do I have to tell these terrorists how to do their jobs? Do they need strategy consultants? Apparently so.

But I am presuming not, which is why I think the Palestine issue is a nice distraction or ruse. It's a nice populist cause that's media-ready for the Arab news -- it's something that people can more broadly relate to and captures their imagination. But my money is that OBL's true intents for liberation were far closer to home. And it's hard to rally the recruits to blow themselves up if it's just about establishing his own flavor of Sharia by booting out the ruling and moneyed class in Saudi Arabia, for example.

That must be an indication that the American policy got something wrong, doesn't it?

Whoever said I thought American policy has done anything right in the past 7 years? Even in the past 50 years, the bad-idea to good-idea ratio has been about 10-to-1.

Oddly enough it's Bush and his administration who seem to monopolise terrorism. People so easily forget that it has always been part of human society. ETA, IRA and others existed long before 9/11. Yet now they have it, that when we think of terrorism, we see a bearded Arabian.

You're obviously too young to remember the Reagan years.

The only objection I'd have is the fact you can't actually WIN the War on Terror. You see, there's always going to be some guy who blows himself up. You can't beat that.

Nor a war on poverty, a war on fat women in leotards, a war on people with ugly feet wearing sandals in public, etc. But that's neither here nor there.

 

[3pac]

I think the bridge was brought down by that prick P.Diddy and his homies

 

[swag]

As seen on Twitter this week:

"Driving across the bridge to St. Paul and .... WOOOPS!"

 

[Bjerknes]

@Swag - Support Greenland's independence . . . bomb Mongolia!

Hey, I have friends in the Gobi. DON'T YOU DARE BOMB BAYANHONGOR OR ARVEYHEER!

They make good children satay, you know.

 

[3pac]

As seen on Twitter this week:

"Driving across the bridge to St. Paul and .... WOOOPS!"

Did you ever do the 580-East-Onramp-Leap-of-Faith? I did. I had to wait in a 4 and a half hour long line of other daring drivers, but the adrenaline rush was worth it.

 

[swag]

Did you ever do the 580-East-Onramp-Leap-of-Faith? I did. I had to wait in a 4 and a half hour long line of other daring drivers, but the adrenaline rush was worth it.

Better still: I've taken Interstate onramps and offramps in Hartford, Connecticut. Talk about needing a drag racing engine with a parachute.

 

[Seven]

You're obviously too young to remember the Reagan years.



Nor a war on poverty, a war on fat women in leotards, a war on people with ugly feet wearing sandals in public, etc. But that's neither here nor there.

The point is that, when you create a virtual enemy, you need to create one you can beat.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Then, since I was terrorized every day of my youth by a sadisitc older brother, I have always considered myself a victim of terrorism.

Frankly, people around the world should be more afraid of the filthy germs found in public bathrooms than of some face-less intolerant Muslim out to kill everyone that doesn't think like him . . . or of a weel-known Anal Cannon set on "kill".

this tragedy has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism, .

If someone thought that it did.....they aren't the sharpest pencil in the box.

Hey, I have friends in the Gobi. DON'T YOU DARE BOMB BAYANHONGOR OR ARVEYHEER!

The point is that, when you create a virtual enemy, you need to create one you can beat.

Exactly, which is what the Belgian is, Mr. Hector Waffles.