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Bjerknes

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    I don't think there's really any way to argue that the Premiership isn't the best league in the world as of now...
    Club for club, it is the best right now. But I'm sick and tired of idiots prancing around stating English football is the best, EPL contains the best football, or any other similar comments that are either simply not true or merely personal choice.
     

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    Stu

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    #84
    Club for club, it is the best right now. But I'm sick and tired of idiots prancing around stating English football is the best, EPL contains the best football, or any other similar comments that are either simply not true or merely personal choice.
    What annoys me is peeps who big up one league as the best but don't watch any of the others :confused:

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    3pac

    Alex Del Mexico
    May 7, 2004
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    #85
    The EPL was obviously always amongst the best, but with the recent (in my opinion) decline of competition in La Liga (where the hell are deportivo and valencia lately?), and the disastrous changes in Serie A, the EPL is undoubtedly the highest quality league around at the moment. Yes, all the bandwagon i-dont-know-any-other-cities-outside-USA american EPL fans are annoying as hell, but their league is definitely the more entertaining to watch nowadays.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    #89
    There's huge difference between "the best" and "the only".



    Gotta side with Andy's civil engineering comments on this one, Seven. This is that classic issue of transposing your environment everywhere else in the world.

    People point fingers at the abject poverty of people living in grass homes along the Mekong delta -- having an arrogant and ethnocentric view of their situation. Yes, certainly they could live at a higher standard somewhere else if given the option. But their society optimized the living conditions of frequent flooding by favoring more temporary structures.

    At some level, this is like someone from Chicago laughing at people in Holland because their houses have no basements for storage.



    After the weather, stock market report, and before sports, we have the daily bridge collapse news on TV here in America. How did you know?



    Congratulations. You have fully achieved hubris. Now join George Bush and the rest of the pre-9/11 deniers in Washington DC.



    I put some on my pancakes a few days ago.
    You're forgetting one thing. Northern America is part of the Anglosaxon culture. And no, you didn't opt for "the best structures" considering the environment. Houses were washed away at New Orleans FFS. A system that was made to keep the water out failed horribly. That hasn't got anything to do with the environment, that's just poor building.

    As obvious as it was then to point to the true culprits it is now. The bridge was controlled a year ago FFS. Either someone wasn't doing his job or your standards weren't high enough to begin with.

    Like I asked Andy, show me ONE case in Western Europe in the last 10 years. Because mind you, this really isn't about any environmental issue whatsoever.

    Hubris isn't what you make it out to be, swag ;).
     

    Stu

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    Ever since I found out that the United States of America demolished their own World Trade Center tours I've been a huge fan of their government. That shit takes balls.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    #91
    Simple statistics. The more planes in the air, the more cars on the road, the more bridges that are built, the more chance of a problem occuring. I don't know how many bridges are laced across Europe or the United States, but it is easier to manage them if you have fewer. That's not an excuse though.






    Will somebody here hedge my risk of going out drinking tonight?
    Beh, that really isn't true. In essence you should have about the same amount of people working per bridge in America as in Europe. Besides, this was apparently a frequently used bridge as well, so it should have been monitored better.

    Look, you and swag can talk all you want and try to make fun of me, but statistics don't lie. It doesn't happen in Western Europe. It just doesn't.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    Ever since I found out that the United States of America demolished their own World Trade Center tours I've been a huge fan of their government. That shit takes balls.
    What's sad about America is that no one is critical towards his own country, besides the odd weirdo who wants to stand out. Patriottism is getting a whole new meaning in America these days.
     

    3pac

    Alex Del Mexico
    May 7, 2004
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    What's sad about America is that no one is critical towards his own country, besides the odd weirdo who wants to stand out. Patriottism is getting a whole new meaning in America these days.
    Patriottism never had a meaning in the first place, so it's up to you to hit up www.urbandictionary.com and give us a definition to live by


    And I don't know if you've ever been here, but pretty much everybody here is critical towards our own country :confused:
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    #96
    Patriottism never had a meaning in the first place, so it's up to you to hit up www.urbandictionary.com and give us a definition to live by


    And I don't know if you've ever been here, but pretty much everybody here is critical towards our own country :confused:
    My bad, I'm getting confused with such words these days, because in Italian it's pretty clear when you have to write one t, whereas it isn't in Dutch or English.

    The thing is, the media seem to stress the fact people went in the water and saved others. That has no importance whatsoever. What's important is that a bridge collapsed and it shouldn't have. Honestly, here in Belgium we'd be out asking for blood. I'm not saying that isn't medieval, but it does get you somewhere, because in the end those things happen less and less. Our Prime Minister would have to quit his job the next day.
     

    Stu

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    My bad, I'm getting confused with such words these days, because in Italian it's pretty clear when you have to write one t, whereas it isn't in Dutch or English.

    The thing is, the media seem to stress the fact people went in the water and saved others. That has no importance whatsoever. What's important is that a bridge collapsed and it shouldn't have. Honestly, here in Belgium we'd be out asking for blood. I'm not saying that isn't medieval, but it does get you somewhere, because in the end those things happen less and less. Our Prime Minister would have to quit his job the next day.
    True point. I was watching Fox news about an hour ago and all they talked about was the rescue effort. Never once mentioned anything as to the actual falling of the bridge itself.
     

    The Pado

    Filthy Gobbo
    Jul 12, 2002
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    You just won't see wood houses in Belgium. Unless we're talking about some sort of vacation residence in the hills or something. The thing with wood is, it simply can't take much. Take a look at New Orleans, poorly built structures to prevent floods with poorly built houses gave you disaster.

    Hey, you can laugh as long as you want, but in the meantime bridges are collapsing in America, Russia, China and 3d world countries. They are not in Switzerland, Belgium or the UK.

    It just wouldn't happen here. Just like a lone gunman wouldn't go berserk at college or thousands would have to flee their homes because the local government made a tiny mistake.

    And you want to know why? Well, for one because we sure wouldn't be bitching about the heroism of firemen and police men who went down, saved people and did their job. We would say thank you and that's that. You on the other hand choose to be blinded by some easy going patriottism on national television and keep thinking all is swell. Sure, have it your way, laugh all you want, but please do realise that

    a) your health care system sucks
    b) every once in a while you'll have a gunman craving to kill in some university
    c) you might want to avoid driving over bridges
    d) you really don't want to live somewhere close to water
    I always wondered why Americans went that route with houses. In Europe, buildings are built to last for centuries. In America, buildings are built to last 20 years. I guess it is all about the profit one can make in constantly turning over the property.

    So . . . is Greed to blame . . . or is it . . . Jesus?
     

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