Messi vs C.Ronaldo (52 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

Messi has made a career of beating up on minnows.

Ronaldo has made a career of dominating the biggest stage. Ronaldo holds the all-time record for CL goals and CL assists.

Even more important in CL knockout matches:

Ronaldo - 67 goals - 15 assists

Messi - 49 goals - 12 assists

It’s even worse for Messi if you look at QFs onward where you are guaranteed to be playing tough teams, unlike Rof16 where you can get lucky and face minnows.

In CL quarters, semis, finals:

Ronaldo - 42 goals - 6 assists

Messi - 20 goals - 6 assists

That last one is kind of embarrassing for baby goat Messi. Makes him look like a shrinking violet compared to Ronaldo in the big matches.

At the end of the day, stats are just numbers.

There are plenty of footballers who scored more goals than Maradona. You can name Gerd Muller, Van Basten, Suarez, Lewandowski, Ibrahimovic... but at the end of the day Maradona is above them all, because he was just better at football.

In football, the eye test trumps everything else, because football is something you watch and not something you study on an excel spreadsheet.

In my boredom and procrastination from work, I binge-watched some Messi videos during his physical prime (2009 to 2015). I almost feel ashamed for having forgotten just how ridiculously good Messi was at his peak. The speed, precision, and micro-control of his dribbling is alien-like.

The whole Messi vs Ronaldo debate is a funny thing. You look at stats on Wikipedia and you think Ronaldo has a strong case. Then you go on YouTube and you watch them play, and then suddenly Messi is so obviously better.

Messi is just more breath-taking to watch than Ronaldo, and for the football fans who are purists, that counts for a lot. @Afghan_juventus probably agrees with me on this.

I also find it amusing that @Zacheryah and @Bianconero81, two football purists who love Zidane, can then turn around and rank Ronaldo above Messi. That makes absolutely no logical sense and defeats the purpose of their own criteria.

 

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[Juve92]

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[Nedved96]

Youtube expert

It’s called watching football. You are probably one of those clowns who thinks that Baggio and Zidane were shit because they didn’t score much (esp Zidane).

 

[Sashazulu]

I agree 100% with. Many people lack football knowledge and look only at goal scoring . But there is no doubt that Messi is a much better all round player.
Ronaldo is a great goal scorer no doubt about that. Messi is much more talented. He scores , create , great passer, dribbler. But Ronaldo plays now in Juventus,
lots here are biased.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Messi is inhuman.. alien of a natural talent,, probably won't be repeated.

But I take Ronaldo as the GOAT for his long career, dedication, physiques, talent and "career in the 3 top leagues".
No other footballer comes to my mind who had done the same.


Had Cassano for example put same dedication as Ronaldo did, he would be up there with those 2.

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[Valerio.]

Messi is inhuman.. alien of a natural talent,, probably won't be repeated.

But I take Ronaldo as the GOAT for his long career, dedication, physiques, talent and "career in the 3 top leagues".
No other footballer comes to my mind who had done the same.


Had Cassano for example put same dedication as Ronaldo did, he would be up there with those 2.

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Messi creates Ronaldo finish it

 

[Pegi]

Is this still a thing?

And big lols to that talent thing again. I don't know how many times i need to say it, but the things you see ain't everything. And by that i mean when you see someone being good, technique wise or physically, it ain't everything. There's so much more in that equation and if Messi was more talented than Ronaldo is, there would be a massive gap in favour of Messi who's the better one.

And to people who say stats are just stats, well that's the feedback for your actions on the pitch. You get paid to get the results done. Also, people who say Messi is more all-round, the better team player or more complete player is just complete BS. Put Messi in an individual sport and he would never succeed, so that's a testament that him being more "all round" is just total nonsense. Ronaldo is way more adapting, which means he can adapt to the age and the changing team m8s around him. He can actually change the way he plays depending on who he plays with. That to me screams Ronaldo being way more all-round, because he can adapt better which again means, he has the qualities to be more all round.

But fuck this, ain't going to waste more time on this - they're the 2 goats and that's all about it.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Is this still a thing?

And big lols to that talent thing again. I don't know how many times i need to say it, but the things you see ain't everything. And by that i mean when you see someone being good, technique wise or physically, it ain't everything. There's so much more in that equation and if Messi was more talented than Ronaldo is, there would be a massive gap in favour of Messi who's the better one.

And to people who say stats are just stats, well that's the feedback for your actions on the pitch. You get paid to get the results done. Also, people who say Messi is more all-round, the better team player or more complete player is just complete BS. Put Messi in an individual sport and he would never succeed, so that's a testament that him being more "all round" is just total nonsense. Ronaldo is way more adapting, which means he can adapt to the age and the changing team m8s around him. He can actually change the way he plays depending on who he plays with. That to me screams Ronaldo being way more all-round, because he can adapt better which again means, he has the qualities to be more all round.

But fuck this, ain't going to waste more time on this - they're the 2 goats and that's all about it.

Thank God we have you to tell us what's right

 

[rainhard]

Yeah while Messi getting 30 goals 9 assists and 22 Man of the match this season

 

[ALC]

Is this still a thing?

And big lols to that talent thing again. I don't know how many times i need to say it, but the things you see ain't everything. And by that i mean when you see someone being good, technique wise or physically, it ain't everything. There's so much more in that equation and if Messi was more talented than Ronaldo is, there would be a massive gap in favour of Messi who's the better one.

And to people who say stats are just stats, well that's the feedback for your actions on the pitch. You get paid to get the results done. Also, people who say Messi is more all-round, the better team player or more complete player is just complete BS. Put Messi in an individual sport and he would never succeed, so that's a testament that him being more "all round" is just total nonsense. Ronaldo is way more adapting, which means he can adapt to the age and the changing team m8s around him. He can actually change the way he plays depending on who he plays with. That to me screams Ronaldo being way more all-round, because he can adapt better which again means, he has the qualities to be more all round.

But fuck this, ain't going to waste more time on this - they're the 2 goats and that's all about it.

if you look anywhere other than a Juve or arM forum, you’ll realize there is a big gap in people in general thinking Messi is the GOAT

 

[Elvin]

if you look anywhere other than a Juve or arM forum, you’ll realize there is a big gap in people in general thinking Messi is the GOAT

Umm Ive said CR is the GOAT since 2016.

Messi has disapperared when it matteted way too many times to be the GOAT.

 

[Pegi]

if you look anywhere other than a Juve or arM forum, you’ll realize there is a big gap in people in general thinking Messi is the GOAT

Maybe for those all beta males Messi is more approachable.

 

[zizinho]

@Nedved96 stop spamming my inbox

 

[james95]

In football, the eye test trumps everything else, because football is something you watch and not something you study on an excel spreadsheet.

In my boredom and procrastination from work, I binge-watched some Messi videos during his physical prime (2009 to 2015). I almost feel ashamed for having forgotten just how ridiculously good Messi was at his peak. The speed, precision, and micro-control of his dribbling is alien-like.

The whole Messi vs Ronaldo debate is a funny thing. You look at stats on Wikipedia and you think Ronaldo has a strong case. Then you go on YouTube and you watch them play, and then suddenly Messi is so obviously better.

Messi is just more breath-taking to watch than Ronaldo, and for the football fans who are purists, that counts for a lot. @@Afghan_juventus probably agrees with me on this.

Ronaldo was extremely pleasing on the eye in his physical prime too and not just numbers. He was unquestionably one of the best dribblers in the world between 2006-2012 and a complete player as well. He also had plenty of flair and trickery in combination with his ability on the ball. There's plenty of exhilarating Ronaldo clips on Youtube too that would have you in awe. Just say you prefer Messi.

 

[Nedved96]

Ronaldo was extremely pleasing on the eye in his physical prime too and not just numbers. He was unquestionably one of the best dribblers in the world between 2006-2012 and a complete player as well. He also had plenty of flair and trickery in combination with his ability on the ball. There's plenty of exhilarating Ronaldo clips on Youtube too that would have you in awe. Just say you prefer Messi.

The irony is that you will make me use statistics to justify my eye test.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...lers-since-200607-have-been-revealed-20200411

Messi has always dominated the dribbling charts. At no point in his career was Ronaldo ever as good as peak Messi at dribbling.

Anyway, I don’t blame Ronaldo for his inability to dribble in the same fashion as Messi. Ronaldo is tall, has long legs, and has a heavy upper body. His physique does not suit dribbling.

I find it funny how Ronaldo is the posterboy of athleticism, when Messi’s physical traits (rapid acceleration, low centre of gravity, balance) are far more important traits in football.

It’s not a coincidence that most GOAT contenders tend to be short (Messi, Maradona, Pele). That body type is more ideal for football.

 

[Post Ironic]

More important? Lol

Ronaldo has all sorts of physical characteristics that alongside his work ethic contribute to him being the greatest goalscorer of all time. Height, physical strength, powerful shot with both legs, unreal leaping ability, top end speed, etc.

 

[rainhard]

The irony is that you will make me use statistics to justify my eye test.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...lers-since-200607-have-been-revealed-20200411

Messi has always dominated the dribbling charts. At no point in his career was Ronaldo ever as good as peak Messi at dribbling.

Anyway, I don’t blame Ronaldo for his inability to dribble in the same fashion as Messi. Ronaldo is tall, has long legs, and has a heavy upper body. His physique does not suit dribbling.

I find it funny how Ronaldo is the posterboy of athleticism, when Messi’s physical traits (rapid acceleration, low centre of gravity, balance) are far more important traits in football.

It’s not a coincidence that most GOAT contenders tend to be short (Messi, Maradona, Pele). That body type is more ideal for football.

Ronaldo at his peak (25-31) is a great dribbler
But yes, right now while Messi can still dribbler past the opponent swiftly, Ronaldo more of a fast feet with just that kind of tricks (his movement just like muscle memory). He even do step over when he want to pass lol

 

[Pegi]

The irony is that you will make me use statistics to justify my eye test.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...lers-since-200607-have-been-revealed-20200411

Messi has always dominated the dribbling charts. At no point in his career was Ronaldo ever as good as peak Messi at dribbling.

Anyway, I don’t blame Ronaldo for his inability to dribble in the same fashion as Messi. Ronaldo is tall, has long legs, and has a heavy upper body. His physique does not suit dribbling.

I find it funny how Ronaldo is the posterboy of athleticism, when Messi’s physical traits (rapid acceleration, low centre of gravity, balance) are far more important traits in football.

It’s not a coincidence that most GOAT contenders tend to be short (Messi, Maradona, Pele). That body type is more ideal for football.

More ideal Maybe for dribbling. Of course it's easier to dribble when the distance between your eyes and ball is shorter + your legs are shorter so it gives you the higher velocity of the feet, but that's about it. That still doesn't make it more ideal, as long as football ain't all about dribbling. Dribbling has become less popular day by day and those old days of Maradona and Pele going past players like it's fun compared to the pro athletes nowdays is totally different. For example Man City tries to mimimize the chance of losing the ball, so why take a risk go 1v1 when you can use the movement of ball in order to get past players for free?

Messi won't be the posterboy for athleticism just because he doesn't look like a one. As being said, any individual sport and he wouldn't succeed so he's hanging there with his team m8s doing all the dirty work for him, so he could have his couple seconds of flair with the ball by being fully recovered compared to the opponent, who's running his lungs out. Ronaldo nowdays ain't any different, but the difference is that with the physique he has, he could easily be playing individual sports with zero support required by anyone - where Messi couldn't.

Ronaldo used to be a great dribbler and still does it once a while, but like being said, why would he? What's the point of him trying to even be around the field where a dribble would make a sense, since his qualities are way better at scoring direct goals? Messi can't do that, so all he has is that dribbling and yet we're are talking about dribbling. We could go ahead and ask Messi to do things Ronaldo has done or is doing in a same note and we would make him look absolute terrible where Ronaldo hangs there with the dribbling, just because he's more versatile.

Sometimes it wonders me how stupid people are. Or, maybe they ain't stupid but they're so deep into their fanboyism that truth and reality are too farfetched for them.

 

[Arcticdaly]

I admit defeat to @zizinho's superior intelligence

You already admitted defeat neddy. Let it go my son, let it go.

Cristiano Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo...Cristiaaaaaaano Ronaldo! Ooooo. He's the man on the planet.

 

[Nedved96]

You already admitted defeat neddy. Let it go my son, let it go.

I admitted defeat to the genetically superior Zizinho. I am not admitting defeat to these scrubs that have been replying to me on this thread lately. Only when Zizi shows up will I go quiet.