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May 23, 2013
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Ah so you were talking intl level. Ok, that makes sense now. Btw what is Garrincha tier level?
Well my initial post was about overall (quality, career, achievements etc). Keep in mind tier 2 ain't bad lmao, all 4 mentioned would still be top 10 in my book (well atleast for sure Messi and Ronaldo).

Garrincha I don't know enough about him or Di Stefano to rank them sadly.
 

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I know this a controversial topic, some say Leo, some say Ronnie. Both are truly great players, truly great but at the end of the day, despite all that Ronaldo has achieved, his success has simply been too Icardi dependent for me.

Maybe if he goes outside his comfort zone and plays in a team without Icardi we can see but until then Leo edges it for me.
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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Neither are the best players in the world right now. Mbappe, Neymar, Hazard, you choose...

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I know this a controversial topic, some say Leo, some say Ronnie. Both are truly great players, truly great but at the end of the day, despite all that Ronaldo has achieved, his success has simply been too Icardi dependent for me.

Maybe if he goes outside his comfort zone and plays in a team without Icardi we can see but until then Leo edges it for me.
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Sterling is the best right now. It's not just about what a player does on the pitch but the impact they have off of it. Sterling's work to speak out against racism along with his brilliant performances on the pitch make him the best for me. An amazing player but an even better role model and person.
good boy De Ceglie >>> Rapenaldo
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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Sterling is the best right now. It's not just about what a player does on the pitch but the impact they have off of it. Sterling's work to speak out against racism along with his brilliant performances on the pitch make him the best for me. An amazing player but an even better role model and person.
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You think hes tier one? Zidane is probably one my favourite players ever to watch but he was well known that he went missing for months on end most seasons he wasnt very consistent at all.
lol Zidane was 10x more talented than CR7. He was the most elegant player I ever watched.

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lol Zidane was 10x more talented than CR7. He was the most elegant player I ever watched.

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Zidane definitely had that elegance second to none.

Talent is another thing then. It doesn't really exists, just like luck. It's just easier way to explain things to the people by using those words. You were born with certain genetics, Usain Bolt had them for running, Einstein, Mozart or any kind of artist, athlete were born to do those things, just because of the genetics they have. There ain't a line where you're standing before you're born and somebody handing out the "talent", it's the genetics and how they will develop before you're born and after. Other thing is that certain people tend to have different kind of personality and it's all about genetics as well. In order to become best at something, you need to kind of have little bit narcismn in you or otherwise you won't react the limits and that again, comes with the genetics. Just like i said earlier, there's different type of genetics and these current top players or the top players in the past, just happened to have better genetics for the sport of football than others, so you can't really say that somebody is more "talented" than other. In football, you can be small or big, you don't need to be the fastest guy and you can be kind of slow and still be a great player. There's so many different combinations of in order to succeed in football, unlike with the 100m dash for example, because it's all about pure genetics. That's why, saying Zidane is a 10x talented as CR is just a BS because CR edges Zidane "talent wise" on many areas of the game. Football is more than elegence, vision, running speed/thinking speed, athleticsm, technique, dedication, decision making, team play etc, it's the combination of all of those and since CR has accomplished more than Zidane as a player, he checks in for more of those areas and therefore he is more "talented" player, whether you want to admit it or not. People saying Ronaldo has accomplished what he has just because he worked hard, well if it was all about hard work, there would be many players playing on his level but because he just happens to have little bit better genetics for the sport of football, it isn't possible for anybody else. He just has better genetics for running speed, acceleration, endurance, longevity/going without injuries majority of his career, he understands the game better than majority of the players and he has great technique for heading and both feets which is the thing, you can definitely improve the most whether of the genetics. Physique, the understanding of the game etc are not something you can improve that much, they're decided before you're born and Ronaldo chose the right profession just like all the GOATs in any other sports, just because the thing they were good at, was called sports, not math, music or anything else.
 

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