Messi vs C.Ronaldo (39 Viewers)

[Cheesio]

@Raz

Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady didn't practice, didn't work out on their games, yet they are among the best players in the last decade, that's pure talent, othere players work their butt off, day in and day out and yet they can't touch the players i mentionned level.

 

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[Raz]

And both of them quite far from the best ever. Both of them extraordinary players, but not among the best ever. Just listen to Jordan, Magic or Bird how much they putted work to be among the best ever.

 

[Zacheryah]

I don't agree with your argument that Ronaldo doesn't do anything better. Better heading, better shooting technique, more power, he is better dribbler too imo(messi being better in tight spaces), not to mention you throw out stuff like speed out of football.

And saying that Messi is naturally this good is not really accurate, I bet he trains as much as Ronaldo does. The whole notion of talent and not work being successful is ridiculous.

 

[Cheesio]

And both of them quite far from the best ever. Both of them extraordinary players, but not among the best ever. Just listen to Jordan, Magic or Bird how much they putted work to be among the best ever.

But they are considered among the greatest and that going by Natural talent alone, and Football is very diffent to basketball, because in football if you have talent you only have to keep on shape, there isn't so much you work on, in basketball you can work on your outside shot, footwork, midrange game, defence....
That's Why for me Messi will always be better than Ronaldo, he's born with that kind of talent, so smooth, amazing technique and touch, vision, whereas Ronaldo is more a product of hardwork something i admire but he's nowhere near Messi talent wise.

 

[Raz]

We will have to disagree there. Vision, creativity you are born with, but other things not really, you learn them, perfect them and the more you play and train it becomes instinctive decisions. And even if you have the best talent if you not put enough work into it you won't be able to use those talents consistently, just for an odd moment.

And the way you talk about football that you just have to keep shape in order to perform on the highest levels is silly. The simplicity how you describe what you need to have and do in order to become the best is childish.

Don't wanna start a new argument, but Mcgrady being considered among the best? So I guess Cassano is among the best too right?

 

[Cheesio]

We will have to disagree there. Vision, creativity you are born with, but other things not really, you learn them, perfect them and the more you play and train it becomes instinctive decisions.

And the way you talk about football that you just have to keep shape in order to perform on the highest levels is silly. The simplicity how you describe what you need to have and do in order to become the best is childish.

Don't wanna start a new argument, but Mcgrady being considered among the best? So I guess Cassano is among the best too right?

Look at Pirlo, he's not a gifted athlete, he's a gifted player, he's just have to keep on shape ( have the legs to run ) it doesn't matter how much he trains, tell me what drills someone need to do to be as a gifted passer as Pirlo with both feet, the in game situation is very different having 2 player running at you and a having to hit a teamate who's running in some direction is not something you can work on, it's talent.

And Mcgrady put one the best season by a swingman in the history of the NBA IN 2003 IIRC in the hand check rule era. And basketball is very developed and complex game compared to football.

 

[Raz]

I'm not saying there is no such thing as talent, I just want to say that to be among the best you need to utilize that talent, and if you just munch on burgers and not work as hard as everyone around you you won't have a chance to be amongst the best.

And don't get me wrong someone like padoin won't become pirlo anytime, because there is a skill ceiling that people have naturally, but if someone like pirlo would not work to reach that skill ceiling he would be just another player with talent that never made it.

Mcgrady is a good player and good for him and his "best season in the history of NBA" and let's leave this here

 

[Vialli_92]

Messi is a playstation player. play him in CM and i bet u he will still be better than 99% of the CM's in the world. His passing and vision is on a similar level to Pirlo. If Ronaldo doens't score in a game u hardly even notice he is playing as he likes to get on the end of things. Messi is always on the ball looking to start the attacks and make the final pass.

Ronaldo's main attributes are his finishing, power, dribbling, positioning and heading. I would say Ronaldo is better at heading and positioning as he is very good at beating the offside trap and scoring. Messi is better at everything else if u ask me, Ronaldo is hit and miss with FK's due to the technique he uses. Ronaldo himself does not know how his FK will finish as he puts so much spin on the ball it can go any where at times which gives him a poor conversion rate.

Messi's one touch play is exceptional as well this is something Ronaldo doesn't have in his locker and is required to play in tight spaces. They are completely different players i will admit Ronaldo is an out of this world athlete u can see he trains harder than anyone else to be the best which is something i admire.

If u ask me personally i dont think Ronaldo is in the same league as Messi as Messi is just out of this world with his talent. He was involved in all 4 goals Barca scored against Madrid, the only contribution Ronaldo made was scoring a penalty over 90 minutes which is not good enough if u are trying to challenge Messi as the best player in the world. Even if Messi doesn't score he will get assists and generally aid his team with his ability to drag defenders with him and open up space for his team while also having great passing with his vision.

 

[Zacheryah]

"natural talent" i love this one


Messi dribbles in small space because of ballcontroll and extreme agility.

Ronaldo's dribbels partially come from explosiveness and agility, but are mostly tricks. And like half of the higher tier dribbels from any football videogame, come from ronaldo

how is that not natural talent ? Please enlighten me what trick messi ever brought to football, and what trickery he uses to get past players, apart from agile turns

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Same goes for Ronaldinho. Yeah, he also had speed and agility, but not on messi's level.
However, he had this brilliant mind to come up with some instant trickery to get past opponents.
The elastico notably.

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For this reason, in the dribbeling section, i rate players like Ronaldo, christiano ronaldo, and ronaldinho higher then messi.
Messi is so easely shut down against a strong defence. He is so, so very lucky that modern day football has horrid defensive quality.

This is because messi simply outturns most modern defenders with ease, taking the fastest route between defenders.

Players like Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and C.Ronaldo, could manage to make defenders go the wrong way, creating their own route.


I have seen Nesta aged 37 hardly playing games, in an average milan, shut down Messi entirely.


I have seen the same Nesta in his prime, getting turned inside out by Ronaldo back at Inter pre-injury. Controlling a ball between 4 Lazio defenders, doing the best step-over to elastico in history, getting clear of all of them.
A pretty slow zidane, compared to messi, could pull of simular things.


Yes, all these players scored considerably less goals against peasant fuck defences. But in the big games, against the big defences, they made the diffrence.

 

[Vialli_92]

"natural talent" i love this one


Messi dribbles in small space because of ballcontroll and extreme agility.

Ronaldo's dribbels partially come from explosiveness and agility, but are mostly tricks. And like half of the higher tier dribbels from any football videogame, come from ronaldo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHU...;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

 

[Cheesio]

Messi is a playstation player. play him in CM and i bet u he will still be better than 99% of the CM's in the world. His passing and vision is on a similar level to Pirlo. If Ronaldo doens't score in a game u hardly even notice he is playing as he likes to get on the end of things. Messi is always on the ball looking to start the attacks and make the final pass.

Ronaldo's main attributes are his finishing, power, dribbling, positioning and heading. I would say Ronaldo is better at heading and positioning as he is very good at beating the offside trap and scoring. Messi is better at everything else if u ask me, Ronaldo is hit and miss with FK's due to the technique he uses. Ronaldo himself does not know how his FK will finish as he puts so much spin on the ball it can go any where at times which gives him a poor conversion rate.

Messi's one touch play is exceptional as well this is something Ronaldo doesn't have in his locker and is required to play in tight spaces. They are completely different players i will admit Ronaldo is an out of this world athlete u can see he trains harder than anyone else to be the best which is something i admire.

If u ask me personally i dont think Ronaldo is in the same league as Messi as Messi is just out of this world with his talent. He was involved in all 4 goals Barca scored against Madrid, the only contribution Ronaldo made was scoring a penalty over 90 minutes which is not good enough if u are trying to challenge Messi as the best player in the world. Even if Messi doesn't score he will get assists and generally aid his team with his ability to drag defenders with him and open up space for his team while also having great passing with his vision.

Thank you !!!

Spot on.

 

[Raz]

Messi is playstation player and would be better in CM then 99% of other players? Has the same passing ability and game tempo dictating like Pirlo is spot on?!

I bet he would be just as good as 99% of keepers too.

 

[Zacheryah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHU...;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

Thank you, this is the perfect example

He basically runs past every defender because he can turn SO hard at such fast speed, the defender cannot even react, and because messi is much faster then most give him credit, he's 5 meters past the defender before he can run back.


Then there are video's of Ronaldinho or Ronaldo(bra), who score goals with a simular long run, but by turning defenders inside out with trickery and stepovers.

Ronaldo, even did that in italy, in the 90ties, when the bottom half of the table, had better defenders then most teams today

Thank you !!!

Spot on.

Such obvious fanboy.

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Messi is playstation player and would be better in CM then 99% of other players? Has the same passing ability and game tempo dictating like Pirlo is spot on?!

I bet he would be just as good as 99% of keepers too.

This is what happens when you talk to fanboys

 

[Vialli_92]

Zach it doesn't matter how u dribble passed a player once u fucking get passed him thats all that matters. If i use to skill to go by him or pure pace it doens't matter as it still ends up with the same result. Ronaldo doesn't do as many tricks now as he used to because he is more direct running at players with pace because he used to 5 step over and just pass it backwards at times because he knew he was going no where.

Also if u look at the first 2 players Messi goes by he uses skill on both occasions to get by them which u just completely ignore.

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Messi is playstation player and would be better in CM then 99% of other players? Has the same passing ability and game tempo dictating like Pirlo is spot on?!

I bet he would be just as good as 99% of keepers too.

I said similar level that doesn't mean he is exactly the same as Pirlo lol. I would say Pirlo is ahead but Messi is not far off. I didn't say "the same" u miss quoted me there.

 

[Cheesio]

Messi don't use skill to go past player

Messi is nowhere near as fast as Ronaldo or as strong, so he has to rely much more on his skill to get past players, Ronaldo on the other hand rely so much on his pace, he needs pace to get past players, i've seen Ronaldo countless times do 4 stepovers and stop because he don't have space and can't hit the ball out run the defender, someone like Ronaldinho has extreme skills because he didn't rely on pace, he could get by 3 defenders in walking pace if he wanted too . But saying Ronaldo is as a better dribbler than Messi is laughable really, i've watched la Liga for several years now week in week out, very popular league here and i've rarely seen Ronaldo beat someone with pure skills without having to use his pace.

 

[Zacheryah]

For those fanboys, that think messi is good, allow me to show you the true king.

Whilst messi plays against a bunch of amateur fuck defenders, and gets shutdown by bayern (with van buyten, rofl), and 37 year old nesta, have a look at this




Every single defender you find in this vid, is better then the shit that currently out there.

Take special note to the games when he was at barcelona, psg and Inter, because they were before his injury.


one guy in the comments, quotes the opinion of the true cream of the defenders "Nesta said he never feard a player more than Ronaldo. maldini said he liked the challenge about playing against ronaldo, and yet he shacked everytime Ronaldo had the ball.desailly and thuram said in a conversation about him."

Yeah, Nesta, the one who played against Messi and Ronaldo.

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Please take note, Ronaldo's famous 50+ dribbeling runs arent included in this video. Because that was against lesser opponents. This vid only has the very best defenders of the golden area of defence. And They got shafted, so hard.

 

[Vialli_92]

For those fanboys, that think messi is good, allow me to show you the true king.

Whilst messi plays against a bunch of amateur fuck defenders, and gets shutdown by bayern (with van buyten, rofl), and 37 year old nesta, have a look at this




Every single defender you find in this vid, is better then the shit that currently out there.

Take special note to the games when he was at barcelona, psg and Inter, because they were before his injury.


one guy in the comments, quotes the opinion of the true cream of the defenders "Nesta said he never feard a player more than Ronaldo. maldini said he liked the challenge about playing against ronaldo, and yet he shacked everytime Ronaldo had the ball.desailly and thuram said in a conversation about him."

Yeah, Nesta, the one who played against Messi and Ronaldo.

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Please take note, Ronaldo's famous 50+ dribbeling runs arent included in this video. Because that was against lesser opponents. This vid only has the very best defenders of the golden area of defence. And They got shafted, so hard.

Keep going off topic dude, this is about C.Ronaldo vs Messi. Whether Brazilian Ronaldo was better than Messi at dribbling means nothing to this topic, please stay on topic in the future dude.

 

[Cheesio]

Keep going off topic dude, this is about C.Ronaldo vs Messi. Whether Brazilian Ronaldo was better than Messi at dribbling means nothing to this topic, please stay on topic in the future dude.

I know

 

[JuveJay]

Ronaldo has to be the most rounded player I have seen. Shooting, dribbling (off both feet), speed, strength, passing, vision, leap, finishing, ball control, crossing (all off both feet). The only thing he can't really do to a high standard is tackle, and he's a bit overrated in terms of his free-kick technique.

Messi is obviously brilliant with the ball, better than Ronaldo in terms of several things he can do with his feet - amazing dribbling at speed, finishing, low centre of gravity, passing and vision. He's maybe 10/10 on a few of those things whereas Ronaldo is perhaps a 9.5. But Ronaldo's ridiculous physique allows him a more rounded game with more variety.

 

[Vialli_92]

I know

We should get @Zacheryah to explain the dagdigal flow difference between Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe he might make some sense then?