Merged: Post-CL depression and future outlook (1 Viewer)

Desmond

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2002
8,938
#41
impossible?

miccoli and dv can replace trez and dp more than adequately,and birindelli,tudor and maresca were never expected to start.

so as you can see zamby was the only real problem-with the players we fielded a win was definitely a possibility.
 

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Elnur_E65

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2004
10,848
#42
I agree with Desmond.

Furthermore, a lot of people are pessimistic due to poor CL performance.

But CL and Seria A are two totally different competitions. You can't win both, and it's difficult to play on the same level in both.

We have won four games in a raw, scoring 8 goals and conceeding just two. And that is with all of our injuries.

If we don't lose to Milan this Sunday- we are still not in too bad of a shape. And if we win- hell, we are still in the race with just 3 points behind!
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#43
++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
So Trez is a traitor now? :rolleyes:
the similarities with a certain Zizou are all but too obvious in this Case
;)

no but seriously
he is not acting nice to the club
neither is Davids

Juventus is the only Top Club in ITaly that seriously wants to have a decent economy
Without Red Numbers

Look at Roma for instance they are on the verge of bankruptcy what do they do Sensi injects more money and the club still starts making losses

ITs what Moggi calls
Financial Doping

And Juventus is trying to take a clear stand away from this
And some players coporate like Del Piero (why am I not suprised)

While some other less gratefull ones but up a fuzz together with their agents

And it angers me

but it has now come to my knowledge that he has signed a contract extension

But 1 only to make sure that Juventus get paid when he leaves this summer

And this is a bit of a compension

SO I must admit I overreacted in my inital thread because I was underinformed (not up to date on INFO).

But Martin can you honestly say you appreciate what Davids did?
 

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
4,077
#44
hi im new to this forum, i feel really bad abt the defeat in cl, but as u ppl have mentioned, with da defense this yr, we dont deserve to win

if we need a playmaker to replace nedved, i would say diego
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
#45
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++
And Juventus is trying to take a clear stand away from this
And some players coporate like Del Piero (why am I not suprised)

While some other less gratefull ones but up a fuzz together with their agents
Trez is paid €2m or less. Del Piero is paid €5m+. Not only that, Del Piero has always been on a really high wage while Trez now in his best years is earning much less than contemporaries at other clubs (Henry anyone?).

++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++
But Martin can you honestly say you appreciate what Davids did?
And what is it that he did?
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#46
++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


I agree with everything except D'alessandro. Change that to Rosicky or Van der Vaart and you've got a good transfer campaign.
No way ! :dazed:

I am sorry but thats going in the wrong direction
More Diciplilne and less creativity and fantasy....

Plus People complain about Trezeguet and DP injuries
Van Der Vaart is the most injured player in professional football

He is a new Casiraghi :groan:

I could settle for Deco and Aimar
But after seeing the dynamic runs of Nedved I would like someone with the same quality There for D'Alessandro

But Aimar has improved this quality too
during his 2 last seasons at Valencia
but taht would be a real expensive affair
and we need to rebuild other areas as well

so therefor I pick D'Alessandro
I believe in him
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#47
welcome arachanon!
:) (hope I got the spelling Right) ;)

Diego is not a bad idea at all
quite a brilliant one actually
I think he will soon superseed Kaka in the Brazilan NT
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#49
Seriously I never said to sell Lippi and Thuram
Secondly This thread should have my Subject as title since its about Destroying and Rebuilding

The weirdo that critiscez Maresca and Del Piero I got no words for you (at least none that are suitable under the regime of this forum)
How can you call yourself a supporter Criticing the player the personifies our club!??!

Back to the First point some1 said sell Thuram and Lippi someone else said bring in Mexes. I am sorry but after the Traitor with a capital Z and now Trezeguet I find it hard to trust French-born players.

Lippi we should hold on to and be grateful for there are no managers (working) that are close to his potenial and would want to coach Juve...

So if he wants to continue we should continue

Otherwise we have to get quite unproved managers like Del Nerri or Mourinho

Because the managers that are close to Lippi's potenial
Fergie (MU)
SGE (England)
Wegner (Ars)
Capello :yuck:
Cruyff (retired since 10years)
Billardo (retired since 15years)
Beckenbauer (President of some strange club from Bavaria)
Socrates (Currently working as a Doctor)

aren't exactly all dying to come a coach Juve
SO we should stick with Lippi for as long as possible

And our Guadelopian Braveheart
Should be with Juve to the Graveyard

Nedved will be sold no matter what you guys say
We need the cash and he is passed his peak. It will be very unlike Juve to keep him Remember Rava and Vialli (for those of you old enough ofcourse).
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#52
++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
sutnop, I'm beginning to think you lost your marbles.
:frown:
and why is that Martin??

Don't know about any marbles but I am surely hungry

gonna go cook some pasta come back later
 

Elnur_E65

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2004
10,848
#53
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++

Because the managers that are close to Lippi's potenial
Fergie (MU)
SGE (England)
Wegner (Ars)
Capello :yuck:
Cruyff (retired since 10years)
Billardo (retired since 15years)
Beckenbauer (President of some strange club from Bavaria)
Socrates (Currently working as a Doctor)
What about Didier Deschamps which at the age of 36 brought Monaco to the top of French League and in CL Quarterfinals?

I think he is much closer to Lippi's potential than many people think.
 

Togon

Senior Member
Nov 2, 2003
511
#54
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++


Back to the First point some1 said sell Thuram and Lippi someone else said bring in Mexes. I am sorry but after the Traitor with a capital Z and now Trezeguet I find it hard to trust French-born players.
Whats that s*it!

You call Trez a Traitor just because he complained about his wage, which was about the third he would get anywhere else? Now he is in best age, he is the starting striker of the french national side (since he is 20), he won a wc+ec, he was top scorer in Italy, he is within the top 3 pointmen of the world. I think he is deserved to be paid better then DYO.

Before you call someone Traitor plz use your head a bit.

BTW The 15 mil (or even higher) price of DYO makes me much-much more angry.
 
Jul 12, 2002
5,666
#55
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++
No way ! :dazed:

I am sorry but thats going in the wrong direction
More Diciplilne and less creativity and fantasy....

Plus People complain about Trezeguet and DP injuries
Van Der Vaart is the most injured player in professional football

He is a new Casiraghi :groan:

I could settle for Deco and Aimar
But after seeing the dynamic runs of Nedved I would like someone with the same quality There for D'Alessandro

But Aimar has improved this quality too
during his 2 last seasons at Valencia
but taht would be a real expensive affair
and we need to rebuild other areas as well

so therefor I pick D'Alessandro
I believe in him
VDV has been injured, but I think he's going ot get past that. The main problem I have with D'alessandro is that he's too small to play playmaker in Europe. I've used this anaolgy before, but just imagine D'ale going up against Jaap Stam. The boy would be very lucky to escape the encounter in one piece. Furthermore, he's a dribbling wonder just like Denilson. I don't want that kind of player in Juventus.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,738
#56
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++
Seriously I never said to sell Lippi and Thuram
Secondly This thread should have my Subject as title since its about Destroying and Rebuilding
About Trezeguet....

He is not a traitor...and his position is similar in some way with the davids situation.. the difference here is that he really wants to stay in Turin..

But tell me... what u will do in his situation... or in nedveds situation. Both players want to stay in Turin...but they think twice after see Moggi´s eyes telling them that they will be sold in the summer.... but not because they want to... because the club need that sells.

In personal.. i would love to see both players still in Juve,,, as im fan of Trezeguet and Nedved... but i have a feeling that they will leave the team in the end of the season... not because they are traitors... but because behind them are forces playing with his destination.

Its not their fault.
 

arc

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2004
4,077
#57
actually i quite liek trez, n i feel sorrie for him
but if the board decided to sell him, thats nth much we can do abt it
 

sutnop

Junior Member
Apr 24, 2003
218
#59
Nedved I respect and have never accused him of anything

But Trezeguet and Davids are very ungratefull

Thats just mine opinion

But Davids did it worst then Trezeguet

and being a Juve fan its hard to take the player stance against my favorite club

To me it is logical and good to sell them while we still can get something for them
 
Jul 12, 2002
5,666
#60
++ [ originally posted by sutnop ] ++
Nedved I respect and have never accused him of anything

But Trezeguet and Davids are very ungratefull

Thats just mine opinion

But Davids did it worst then Trezeguet

and being a Juve fan its hard to take the player stance against my favorite club

To me it is logical and good to sell them while we still can get something for them
It's not about who is "ungrateful" or not. Davids wanted a new contract or to be let go. Trezeguet is the same, I don't see why there needs to be animosity about that.
 

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