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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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Signing Vidal and Lichtsteiner doesn't make you successful all of a sudden. Especially after spending the most money in Europe last summer and having a catastrophic first season. He still has to earn it.

If he can drop the low ambition signings like Del Neri, Borriello, Toni and Pazienza etc and have the ability to convince sought after players to join our team, I'd say he's good for us.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,801
Ok, but this is where the flaw in the argument is.


This team as currently constructed was not built to be competivie in the CL. It was built to get to the CL in the first place.


Therefore, we don't know what marotta or any other DS will do once the team gets into the Champions League (Hopefully)


And as far as signing the big names, you and I both know that it is very difficult to attract the so called "big names" when the team is not playing Champions League football.
it wasnt an argument, it was an option that was available but not tabled. And marotta will start from teh same point(the unknown) as any other DS we might hire, so replacing him is no big deal. Most big names went last mercato to teams not in CL.
 

Fake Melo

Ghost Division
Sep 3, 2010
37,077
I've agreed with you until now, but let's not kid our selves and compare Marotta with Galliani.

Maxi Lopez - Boriello

David Suazo - Di Natale
My point is that no transfer director in italy is perfect. Galliani might be better than Marotta, but he has been in the game for much longer.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
31,789
it wasnt an argument, it was an option that was available but not tabled. And marotta will start from teh same point(the unknown) as any other DS we might hire, so replacing him is no big deal. Most big names went last mercato to teams not in CL.
The only thing that I would personally have trouble with is justifying is firing a guy who, whether people want to admit it or not, would potentially have just as much of a hand in rebuilding the squad as anyone else.


it would be unprecedented to have a move like that made.

Regardless of whether people like him or not, it would seem very odd if the path that juve is taking now were to carry out towards the rest of the season, and then not renew the contract of the DS
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
My point is that no transfer director in italy is perfect. Galliani might be better than Marotta, but he has been in the game for much longer.
There is no such thing as a perfect sporting director. But please don't compare uncle Fester to Marotta.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
The only thing that I would personally have trouble with is justifying is firing a guy who, whether people want to admit it or not, would potentially have just as much of a hand in rebuilding the squad as anyone else.


it would be unprecedented to have a move like that made.

Regardless of whether people like him or not, it would seem very odd if the path that juve is taking now were to carry out towards the rest of the season, and then not renew the contract of the DS
Do you want him to stay?
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Do you want him to stay?
Its a question of the results at the end of this year, and the direction that the team will be taking.

If the results are favorable, meaning at minimum an automatic berth into the CL, I can't see any reason for letting him go.

So, if you put a gun to my head and ask me whether I want him to stay RIGHT NOW, I would have to say yes. The results so far this season would honestly give me no reason to say otherwise. People want to constantly harp on the negative, specifically just blaming him for it, but any of the successful moves that he has made are due in large part to everyone BUT him. Sporting Directors make mistakes all the time, from Moggi to Galliani, they, along with other famous Sporting Directors and in other cases, coaches in the EPL, have made some serious financial blunders with high priced signings. It's the nature of the business. Looking for the Director who gets every single move right is akin to finding a needle in a haystack

I just don't see a lot of objectivity in this. I wasn't crazy with the hiring, but there was one thing that I had harped on in the beginning of his tenure when he and Paratici were brought over, and that is the ability to spot and sign young talents, and I honestly think that a lot of the players that he has signed have some serious potential. he fit the mold of a DS that I had been looking for once they went to Serie B, and that was trying to rebuild the youth system, and I think that he and Partici (notice I am not giving marotta full credit for this), have taken a very promising path in this regard.
 

deggen10

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Jul 27, 2011
1,182
The one thing Marotta was 100% on was bringing Pirlo (against Conte's wishes). I don't know if that's enough to save him... but it's important that the DG and the Coach bring their own ideas.

I don't want Conte in total control of transfers at this stage of his career. Hell, even Mourinho wanted duds like Quaresma and Mancini.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,126
Its a question of the results at the end of this year, and the direction that the team will be taking.

If the results are favorable, meaning at minimum an automatic berth into the CL, I can't see any reason for letting him go.

So, if you put a gun to my head and ask me whether I want him to stay RIGHT NOW, I would have to say yes. The results so far this season would honestly give me no reason to say otherwise. People want to constantly harp on the negative, specifically just blaming him for it, but any of the successful moves that he has made are due in large part to everyone BUT him. Sporting Directors make mistakes all the time, from Moggi to Galliani, they, along with other famous Sporting Directors and in other cases, coaches in the EPL, have made some serious financial blunders with high priced signings. It's the nature of the business. Looking for the Director who gets every single move right is akin to finding a needle in a haystack

I just don't see a lot of objectivity in this. I wasn't crazy with the hiring, but there was one thing that I had harped on in the beginning of his tenure when he and Paratici were brought over, and that is the ability to spot and sign young talents, and I honestly think that a lot of the players that he has signed have some serious potential. he fit the mold of a DS that I had been looking for once they went to Serie B, and that was trying to rebuild the youth system, and I think that he and Partici (notice I am not giving marotta full credit for this), have taken a very promising path in this regard.
THIS ^^^^^^^____
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,801
The only thing that I would personally have trouble with is justifying is firing a guy who, whether people want to admit it or not, would potentially have just as much of a hand in rebuilding the squad as anyone else.


it would be unprecedented to have a move like that made.

Regardless of whether people like him or not, it would seem very odd if the path that juve is taking now were to carry out towards the rest of the season, and then not renew the contract of the DS

I dont believe in marotta's competence but i too believe it woud be too distracting and destabilizing to fire him if we do indeed end the season on a good note. However come summer he really needs to make bold moves and sign some proven quality players.
 
Nov 1, 2002
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Its a question of the results at the end of this year, and the direction that the team will be taking.

If the results are favorable, meaning at minimum an automatic berth into the CL, I can't see any reason for letting him go.

So, if you put a gun to my head and ask me whether I want him to stay RIGHT NOW, I would have to say yes. The results so far this season would honestly give me no reason to say otherwise. People want to constantly harp on the negative, specifically just blaming him for it, but any of the successful moves that he has made are due in large part to everyone BUT him. Sporting Directors make mistakes all the time, from Moggi to Galliani, they, along with other famous Sporting Directors and in other cases, coaches in the EPL, have made some serious financial blunders with high priced signings. It's the nature of the business. Looking for the Director who gets every single move right is akin to finding a needle in a haystack

I just don't see a lot of objectivity in this. I wasn't crazy with the hiring, but there was one thing that I had harped on in the beginning of his tenure when he and Paratici were brought over, and that is the ability to spot and sign young talents, and I honestly think that a lot of the players that he has signed have some serious potential. he fit the mold of a DS that I had been looking for once they went to Serie B, and that was trying to rebuild the youth system, and I think that he and Partici (notice I am not giving marotta full credit for this), have taken a very promising path in this regard.
agreed, i was totally against his transfers the last season but he promised to bring better players and he did bring some important players who can easily be in the CL next season and if he add the missing quality in this squad then we are a complete team.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Its a question of the results at the end of this year, and the direction that the team will be taking.

If the results are favorable, meaning at minimum an automatic berth into the CL, I can't see any reason for letting him go.

So, if you put a gun to my head and ask me whether I want him to stay RIGHT NOW, I would have to say yes. The results so far this season would honestly give me no reason to say otherwise. People want to constantly harp on the negative, specifically just blaming him for it, but any of the successful moves that he has made are due in large part to everyone BUT him. Sporting Directors make mistakes all the time, from Moggi to Galliani, they, along with other famous Sporting Directors and in other cases, coaches in the EPL, have made some serious financial blunders with high priced signings. It's the nature of the business. Looking for the Director who gets every single move right is akin to finding a needle in a haystack

I just don't see a lot of objectivity in this. I wasn't crazy with the hiring, but there was one thing that I had harped on in the beginning of his tenure when he and Paratici were brought over, and that is the ability to spot and sign young talents, and I honestly think that a lot of the players that he has signed have some serious potential. he fit the mold of a DS that I had been looking for once they went to Serie B, and that was trying to rebuild the youth system, and I think that he and Partici (notice I am not giving marotta full credit for this), have taken a very promising path in this regard.
Agree. :tup:
 

Mark

The Informer
Administrator
Dec 19, 2003
97,628
Viola merda not selling Behrami. Juve talked about it during the Amauri deal and the player took it in consideration(it's Juve so you have to) but Viola want to keep him and Behrami is happy to stay.- His agent
 
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