Maurizio Sarri (126 Viewers)

[DS8_Montero]

For a person who does not follow Juve anymore, you sure do use a lot of time writting dumb posts on a fan forum.

I don't live in a binary world ruled by simplistic rules like "only fans can do this or that". If I want to hang out on Tuz - I do it, and I don't break any Tuz rules doing it. I openly identified myself as a former Juventus fan, so if the former fan's opinion is irrelevant to someone, that person can easily skip my posts or completely ignore everything I write.

Your implication that I create a lot of noise in here is clearly biased, because anybody can check how often I do post here, and that's way too far from what requires "a lot of time". As for "dumbness", the post you replied to was intentionally written half-jokingly and didn't have any serious agenda, which, I believe, was obvious to anyone who was open to see it.

If someone cannot ignore other person's "dumb" posts and feels an urge to insult the other Tuz member instead of calmly discussing the content of the posts they disagree with, that's only that person's own problem, and such a position shouldn't be expected to be respected.

And, as a response not to this post but to the general sentiment that aroused on Tuz these days: if some "true fan's" great "faith" in the club is so fragile that it cannot stand the very existence of opinions that contradict this faith pillars, it makes you think that sometimes, apparently, the former fan can be a truer fan than some of those who proclaim themselves to be real fans right now.

 

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[kappa96]

Yet you accuse me that I was in the same state against Max as I am against Allegri.

When did I said that?
I only said that you put too much emphasis on all things negative regarding sarri without that being varanted, because we only played 3 matches till now.
I know you stayed by max till the end, even I would have gives him another year, than hire sarri, but it is what it is.



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[JCK]

When did I said that?
I only said that you put too much emphasis on all things negative regarding sarri without that being varanted, because we only played 3 matches till now.
I know you stayed by max till the end, even I would have gives him another year, than hire sarri, but it is what it is.



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Why is it difficult for you to understand that in my point of view I see them warranted and valid? Why can't you respect that? Negative or not.

 

[Nzoric]

Why is it difficult for you to understand that in my point of view I see them warranted and valid? Why can't you respect that? Negative or not.

depressive old guy

 

[kappa96]

Why is it difficult for you to understand that in my point of view I see them warranted and valid? Why can't you respect that? Negative or not.

Because I am kinda facts first quy. You say that he is this and that so I think you should back it up with facts. Until now we are 7p out of 9p from 3 matches still in cl and coppa so I guess I can't understand the negativity.
If things go downhill this season then I am going to climb in your boat.

PS. Let's put it this way.
If I say spaletti>max and I put "it's my point of view " in front do I not warrant criticism?
I expect forum members to come full force against me in this situation.

Anyway I guess we should put this behind us. We ain't gaining anything for arguing.

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[JCK]

Because I am kinda facts first quy. You say that he is this and that so I think you should back it up with facts. Until now we are 7p out of 9p from 3 matches still in cl and coppa so I guess I can't understand the negativity.
If things go downhill this season then I am going to climb in your boat.

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What is it that I say that is not facts.

I see him as a bum (my view on this guy is that he is a bum). It is in the end a personal taste and perspective.
I see him as classless which is based among many other incidents that he pointed his middle finger to Juve fans while at Napoli. Amongst other things. (That's also a fact)
I know for a fact that he does not rotate, he rarely did it at Napoli, he rarely did it at Chelsea, he mentioned it in his press conference at Juve. He played a half injured Pjanic and was forced to sub him out. Is that enough of a fact you you?
I don't see his brand of football as effective as some make it to be. At Napoli it worked, at Chelsea it didn't. I don't think it will work at Juve because we don't have the players for it, we don't have it in the club. Look at Napoli, they play this way, they have done so with Mazzarri, Sarri and no Ancelotti. Only Benitez failed miserably there because he tried to change their style. This is why I think that this change of style will fail here. Is this enough of a fact?
He plays with a very high defensive line which is not in my taste, he focuses winning the ball high and creating attacking chances. It takes time? Fine, I still haven't seen any signs of it that we are getting there. I haven't.
I don't like his excuses in the press conference, I don't see that as classy as I see Juventus. Also this is my interpretation of what he says.
I don't like that he has one formation one approach and even when things are not going his way during a match he sticks to the same plan. Is it not a fact? Will this change at Juve? It remains to be seen, so far (even if only three matches) it hasn't. Until it changes I will change my view on him.

So what is it that I say that is not based on facts?

Is it because I am loud and repeat myself quite a lot? Well when a bunch of people resort to personal labelling I will just increase this behaviour.

 

[kappa96]

What is it that I say that is not facts.

I see him as a bum (my view on this guy is that he is a bum). It is in the end a personal taste and perspective.
I see him as classless which is based among many other incidents that he pointed his middle finger to Juve fans while at Napoli. Amongst other things. (That's also a fact)
I know for a fact that he does not rotate, he rarely did it at Napoli, he rarely did it at Chelsea, he mentioned it in his press conference at Juve. He played a half injured Pjanic and was forced to sub him out. Is that enough of a fact you you?
I don't see his brand of football as effective as some make it to be. At Napoli it worked, at Chelsea it didn't. I don't think it will work at Juve because we don't have the players for it, we don't have it in the club. Look at Napoli, they play this way, they have done so with Mazzarri, Sarri and no Ancelotti. Only Benitez failed miserably there because he tried to change their style. This is why I think that this change of style will fail here. Is this enough of a fact?
He plays with a very high defensive line which is not in my taste, he focuses winning the ball high and creating attacking chances. It takes time? Fine, I still haven't seen any signs of it that we are getting there. I haven't.
I don't like his excuses in the press conference, I don't see that as classy as I see Juventus. Also this is my interpretation of what he says.
I don't like that he has one formation one approach and even when things are not going his way during a match he sticks to the same plan. Is it not a fact? Will this change at Juve? It remains to be seen, so far (even if only three matches) it hasn't. Until it changes I will change my view on him.

So what is it that I say that is not based on facts?

Is it because I am loud and repeat myself quite a lot? Well when a bunch of people resort to personal labelling I will just increase this behaviour.

As I said I ain't going argue anymore on this topic with you. Time will tell if you are right or wrong. Gonna revisit this at the end of the season to see how much of that was right.
The only point that I agree is that he is classless. All other can change as the season goes on.


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[JCK]

As I said I ain't going argue anymore on this topic with you. Time will tell if you are right or wrong. Gonna revisit this at the end of the season to see how much of that was right.
The only point that I agree is that he is classless. All other can change as the season goes on.


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Exactly, they can change and until then I stick to my view. It's up to him to change my view on him, I don't see any reason to give him a chance that he might change.

 

[DS8_Montero]

OK, I guess, I found the tutorial some Tuz members might be using.

 

[Vlad]

Last season was weird on many levels. But the low quality of the players in the midfield was an objective reality - "non-existent midfield" were two the most popular words on Tuz last season. So, when Max was talking about that, it didn't look like an excuse but rather like a cry of desperation. He lost it, I agree with that (his comments to the press when the season was nearing its end were cringeworthy sometimes). Another season without a proper midfield turned out to be unbearable for him. But even in this case he called the problem by its name. It might look like an excuse, but in this case it was an excuse that was impossible to argue with.

Anyway, it was only 1 season out of 5. The first four were completely different. With Sarri it's always the same.

No matter how u spin it he was looking out for an excuse after being beaten by a bunch of 19 year olds, played off the park. They could have scored 5-6 goals at our ground. Surely it cannot be all on midfield. Entire team looked dead in the second part of the season, which is atypical because Juventus usually finishes season strong, hitting peak condition around March/April. I repeat, I wish he would return one day but for the time being Im gonna take neutral stance here, with hopes of Sarri taking us all the way in CL. No point in bashing him atm and regurgitating same drivel over and over again...

 

[Dino_mk]

What is it that I say that is not facts.

Asamoah is ten times the player Alex Sandro will ever be

 

[CrimsonianKing]

posts from when allegri was hired in 2014.hmm sounds familiar?

My post is from a few weeks ago and it's about Sarri's addiction, you liar!

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It's ok, JCK. Lion tried trolling me too by pulling my comment from the Matuidi thread.

Lol that bastard. Probably ran out of tires to change.

 

[Post Ironic]

My post is from a few weeks ago and it's about Sarri's addiction, you liar!

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Lol that bastard. Probably ran out of tires to change.

Sadly, there’s another post of yours in there that is definitely from the Allegri hiring. “The stuff of nightmares” is what I believe you called it.

Most of us weren’t thrilled by the Allegri appointment, same deal as now with Sarri.

Max earned our respect and gratitude by leading us to one of the most successful periods in club history.

And if Sarri does the same, he will earn that respect and gratitude from those not too thrilled by his appointment too. Simple as that.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Sadly, there’s another post of yours in there that is definitely from the Allegri hiring. “The stuff of nightmares” is what I believe you called it.

Most of us weren’t thrilled by the Allegri appointment, same deal as now with Sarri.

Max earned our respect and gratitude by leading us to one of the most successful periods in club history.

And if Sarri does the same, he will earn that respect and gratitude from those not too thrilled by his appointment too. Simple as that.

Oh but I'm not saying I was happy when we got him. He was a Milan guy, we all hated him. Especially because of the Gol di Muntari incident on which he'd always bring it up at every chance he had. I definitely didn't want him here but things change. We just have to accept the club's decisions, either that or stop supporting the club.

 

[JCK]

It's not my problem if you don't know what context is.

 

[Dino_mk]

It's not my problem if you don't know what context is.

Go watch your favorite team is playing at a moment, don't bother with loosers like Juve.

 

[JCK]

Oh but I'm not saying I was happy when we got him. He was a Milan guy, we all hated him. Especially because of the Gol di Muntari incident on which he'd always bring it up at every chance he had. I definitely didn't want him here but things change. We just have to accept the club's decisions, either that or stop supporting the club.

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Go watch your favorite team is playing at a moment, don't bother with loosers like Juve.

 

[Post Ironic]

Oh but I'm not saying I was happy when we got him. He was a Milan guy, we all hated him. Especially because of the Gol di Muntari incident on which he'd always bring it up at every chance he had. I definitely didn't want him here but things change. We just have to accept the club's decisions, either that or stop supporting the club.

But you asked for the thread to be deleted, burned, etc. Just like Zach, and called it a nightmare. That hardly shows acceptance.

Lots of Juve fans don’t like Sarri. That doesn’t mean we have to stop supporting the club, or that we can’t accept the club hired him. He’s here, we don’t like it, and he’s done nothing yet to change our minds. Once he has even a fraction of the success Max has here, he will start to earn respect and gratitude. Because as of now, all we’ve seen of him is endless excuses for his years at Napoli as to why we were favoured by refs and the league, given our fans the finger, and generally been classless about Juve.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

But you asked for the thread to be deleted, burned, etc. Just like Zach, and called it a nightmare. That hardly shows acceptance.

Lots of Juve fans don’t like Sarri. That doesn’t mean we have to stop supporting the club, or that we can’t accept the club hired him. He’s here, we don’t like it, and he’s done nothing yet to change our minds. Once he has even a fraction of the success Max has here, he will start to earn respect and gratitude. Because as of now, all we’ve seen of him is endless excuses for his years at Napoli as to why we were favoured by refs and the league, given our fans the finger, and generally been classless about Juve.

I guess you’re right. But it’s what we do as fans, we’re passionate and say stuff we could do without. Right now I’m giving Sarri the benefit of the doubt. He was sick and didn’t get to do his work properly but honestly I’m not as positive as I was beginning of the season. We’ll see.

 

[dolph]

I do make unnecessary comments but they are not about the person behind the content, that's a huge difference.

Also if you think that my complaints about Sarri or the management are spam, it is also your judgement but rest assured the more personal attacks I get the more I will continue with the same.

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I don't live in a binary world ruled by simplistic rules like "only fans can do this or that". If I want to hang out on Tuz - I do it, and I don't break any Tuz rules doing it. I openly identified myself as a former Juventus fan, so if the former fan's opinion is irrelevant to someone, that person can easily skip my posts or completely ignore everything I write.

Your implication that I create a lot of noise in here is clearly biased, because anybody can check how often I do post here, and that's way too far from what requires "a lot of time". As for "dumbness", the post you replied to was intentionally written half-jokingly and didn't have any serious agenda, which, I believe, was obvious to anyone who was open to see it.

If someone cannot ignore other person's "dumb" posts and feels an urge to insult the other Tuz member instead of calmly discussing the content of the posts they disagree with, that's only that person's own problem, and such a position shouldn't be expected to be respected.

And, as a response not to this post but to the general sentiment that aroused on Tuz these days: if some "true fan's" great "faith" in the club is so fragile that it cannot stand the very existence of opinions that contradict this faith pillars, it makes you think that sometimes, apparently, the former fan can be a truer fan than some of those who proclaim themselves to be real fans right now.

You openly made a big drama of having lost the faith in Juve, not being a supporter any more because of the appointment of Sarri, and not wanting to see the games anymore. Yet you use a lot of time posting in the Sarri and Paratici threads despite your lack of interest.

I find it a bit weird, but each to their own I guess.