Maurizio Sarri (81 Viewers)

[Snobist]

You already did this lame argument with me already, let me show you klopps first 11 when he took over. Does not even compare to players Sarri has right now and he got to Two finals with this team in he's first year. Give Klopp Dybala and Ronaldo and probably would had 2 trophies in he's first season easily.

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[JuveJay]

You already did this lame argument with me already, let me show you klopps first 11 when he took over. Does not even compare to players Sarri has right now and he got to Two finals with this team in he's first year. Give klopp Dybala and Ronaldo and probably would had 2 trophies in he's first season easily.

Liverpool had Benteke, Sturridge and Firmino in Klopp's first season. Origi started 15 games only.

Benteke was a menace for Villa but he didn't suit Klopp's football.

 

[Arcticdaly]

Liverpool had Benteke, Sturridge and Firmino in Klopp's first season. Origi started 15 games only.

Benteke was a menace for Villa but he didn't suit Klopp's football.

Those players bar firminho dont make that team any better its painfully terrible side and the point was the players sarri has at he disposal right now are 10 times anything that klopp had in he's first liverpool year yet he still reached 2 finals.

 

[Alin]

Those players bar firminho dont make that team any better its painfully terrible side and the point was the players sarri has at he disposal right now are 10 times anything that klopp had in he's first liverpool year yet he still reached 2 finals.

And the most important aspect of it is that you could see signs of improvement from that first year, a clear path, nevermind the totally opposite overall situation both clubs were at the time of their respective appointments, which again makes no sense even going into as it's not a good comparison at all.

 

[JuveJay]

Those players bar firminho dont make that team any better its painfully terrible side and the point was the players sarri has at he disposal right now are 10 times anything that klopp had in he's first liverpool year yet he still reached 2 finals.

I don't think finishing 8th is a fair reflection of the squad he had, although it was definitely the start of the process after they had lost Gerrard, Suarez and Sterling. But Liverpool were not under any pressure to win the league, they had to reach the CL only. That's not the same as Sarri here, even if it's a weaker competition.

They persevered because Klopp was popular and you could see he was onto something, at least from an entertainment perspective. He started at almost ground zero, whereas Sarri has come in my eyes at the end of a cycle. It's not a hard end to the cycle but looks like being phased across three seasons. Buffon has been phased out and Chiellini probably will be a sub from next year. Pjanic is already sold and hopefully Khedira will be also. You can go down the line and see the players that yearly need phasing out, but it was never going to happen in one season.

Liverpool added quality pieces of the right age. For us CR7 was an unmissable opportunity, but I'm more pleased to see us going for De Ligt, Kulusevski, Demiral, even Rabiot to an extent. Now Arthur in different circumstances. Bernardeschi and Pjaca as well, even if they have failed for differing reasons. We will still sign 28, 29 year old players because you get 4-6 seasons out of them in Serie A, but that needs to be an exception in a transfer window.

The question really has to be whether Sarri is someone you start this kind of process with, or whether he is going to be used (and abused) to put the groundwork in for a similar but more popular coach in future.

 

[Arcticdaly]

And the most important aspect of it is that you could see signs of improvement from that first year, a clear path, nevermind the totally opposite overall situation both clubs were at the time of their respective appointments, which again makes no sense even going into as it's not a good comparison at all.

Agree there is very litte signs of Sarri style here bar the inter games and in fact we have gotten worse not better as season went on and blaming it on fixture list and crammed schedule is just a bad excuse when everyone else has the same.

 

[Bianconero81]

It's too bad we didn't win our most important games of the season vs Cagliari and Roma. Sarri failed at his true test during this season defining moment.

Mental Midget detected. We almost threw away the title you insufferable Muppet. We were rather fortunate other teams fucked up more than us. This title was won in spite of Sorri, not because of him. We've been playing like shit since the restart, looking gassed and clueless in most of our games, and only grinding out wins because of individual brilliance rather than some tactical masterplan devised by your hero.

You're seriously approaching Hash/FakeMelo levels of despicablity and unlikability.

 

[il brutto]

It took Klopp 4 years to win a title at Pool. And we want Sarri’s head already.

And how many titles did Pool have in the eight years before Klopp? Could it be that the expectations for Pool at the time were rightly a bit different compared to this Juve?

 

[Bianconero81]

Again, should we fail to negotiate Lyon, that's grounds for termination. The bare minimum should be the Scudetto and CL QFs every single season. These are the standards that have been set. We are far ahead of everyone else in this league, whether in terms of sporting project, infrastructure, or financially. Ancelotti, a far superior coach to this muppet, got fired for finishing 2nd in successive seasons.

We can't lose to an inferior opponent with one or two competitive games under their belt and then just turn around and pretend everything is peachy. Losing to Lyon would constitute a monumental failure and the season, in my book, would have been a massive disappointment, Scudetto notwithstanding.

 

[Robee]

It took Klopp 4 years to win a title at Pool. And we want Sarri’s head already.

I don't think Pool gave in 20 points on his direct competitor in his first season.

 

[Nedved96]

-Bentancur was a starter last season as well
-Paratici and Danilo deserve more credit for Cuadrado

He did well to make Dybi the CF after CR-Higgy-Dybi failed, still waiting to see if it works in the CL knockouts though

Last season Bentancur was not a guaranteed starter like he is this season. He was benched for the most important game of the season (Ajax at home when we got knocked out). Likewise, Bentancur was not at all progressing under Allegri. He’s taken a huge step this season. If you don’t believe me, read the Bentancur thread before Sarri took over. People were calling him mediocre etc...

The fact is that Paratici screwed up big time by trading Danilo for Cancelo, and it was Sarri who adapted. If Sarri was as stubborn as people say, he wouldn’t have moved Cuads to RB. Instead he would have continued playing Danilo there.

 

[Snobist]

And how many titles did Pool have in the eight years before Klopp? Could it be that the expectations for Pool at the time were rightly a bit different compared to this Juve?

My point is, if we hire Klopp and don't win anything in his first year, let alone waiting for 4 years we would fire him.

 

[Post Ironic]

It took Klopp 4 years to win a title at Pool. And we want Sarri’s head already.

Max won five straight titles here, 4 domestic doubles, and made us relevant in CL for the first time in a decade... and you still wanted his head...

Only makes sense that you should want Sarri’s head too, after an even worse season.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Max won five straight titles here, 4 domestic doubles, and made us relevant in CL for the first time in a decade... and you still wanted his head...

He's a radical leftist/ feminist

Allegri had too big of a trophy surplus

 

[Post Ironic]

He's a radical leftist/ feminist

Allegri had too big of a trophy surplus

Allegri is triggering to those who only ever got participation ribbons.

 

[Snobist]

Max won five straight titles here, 4 domestic doubles, and made us relevant in CL for the first time in a decade... and you still wanted his head...

Only makes sense that you should want Sarri’s head too, after an even worse season.

If we fail to go past Lyon he should get fired.

 

[Post Ironic]

If we fail to go past Lyon he should get fired.

Failure to win a domestic double of some sort (either Coppa or supercoppa), only 83 pts in the league, and generally atrocious performances can be forgiven with a good showing in CL. But fail to beat Lyon or get humiliated in the QFs and he should go.

Hopefully he can get the players motivated and into form for a good run in CL even if we don’t win it.

 

[Boksic]

It took Klopp 4 years to win a title at Pool. And we want Sarri’s head already.

They aren't exactly comparable. One team is a serial league winner and the other was a serial loser.

Liverpool also have a far better defence now and better squad in general than they did when he took over. Their competitors have also weakened, plus they had the the mental barrier they had with the title.

Look at the squad Sarri had in comparison to the rest of the league. People can moan about our failed transfer windows (which is true) or overrate Inter or Lazio's squads all they want but we simply have the best pool of players in the league.

I also keep hearing out Sarri's system and how we don't have the players for it. He has plenty of quality players to work with. Is the argument that he doesn't have Jorginho? I'm not convinced he would have done any better than Pjanic in the role. Certainly in the first half of the season. Cuadrado and Alex Sandro seem far more suited to his system than Hysaj and Mario Rui. Bonucci seems more so than Albiol.

Allan and Hamsik are more suited than Bentancur or Matuidi sure.

But he should have been able to make something work, it's not like he was working with the squad of Conte's first season.

 

[Snobist]

Failure to win a domestic double of some sort (either Coppa or supercoppa), only 83 pts in the league, and generally atrocious performances can be forgiven with a good showing in CL. But fail to beat Lyon or get humiliated in the QFs and he should go.

Hopefully he can get the players motivated and into form for a good run in CL even if we don’t win it.

With or without Sarri our players should be motivated to beat Lyon. Back in the day we beat Real Madrid with Molinaro, Sissoko, Mellberg in the line up.

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They aren't exactly comparable. One team is a serial league winner and the other was a serial loser.

Liverpool also have a far better defence now and better squad in general than they did when he took over. Their competitors have also weakened, plus they had the the mental barrier they had with the title.

Look at the squad Sarri had in comparison to the rest of the league. People can moan about our failed transfer windows (which is true) or overrate Inter or Lazio's squads all they want but we simply have the best pool of players in the league.

I also keep hearing out Sarri's system and how we don't have the players for it. He has plenty of quality players to work with. Is the argument that he doesn't have Jorginho? I'm not convinced he would have done any better than Pjanic in the role. Certainly in the first half of the season. Cuadrado and Alex Sandro seem far more suited to his system than Hysaj and Mario Rui. Bonucci seems more so than Albiol.

Allan and Hamsik are more suited than Bentancur or Matuidi sure.

But he should have been able to make something work, it's not like he was working with the squad of Conte's first season.

Nope we don't have. we have quality to win the league, but not to implement his football. You can't have one touch football with quick short passes with Matuidi and co.

 

[JuelzSantana]

Klopp is a bad example. We can compare our season to Pep´s first at City. They had the exact same agenda; to change their brand while in a win-now mode. City actually reached the CL semis the year before he came but did do better in the league with him, mainly due to Arsenal choking hard at the end. He also implemented this high line possession based style. Their defense was all over the place and he got widely criticized. Conte also destroyed him that 1st season. The difference with us is that our squad is so much stronger than the others that we still won + we got Cr7.

But what made him succeed at City, and I think will be the key for Sarri:

1. They got rid of the players past their primes: Yaya, Clichy, Sagna, Kolarov, Hart, Zabaleta etc (for Juve: Khedira, Matuidi, Higuain, Pjanic, even Bonucci etc)

2. The club backed him in the transfer window, will we back Sarri? (I know City manipulated the FFP but the point still stands)

3. Pep had the respect of the players and they bought into his style.

The 1st and 2nd point is on the club and the 3rd on the manager. The problem with Juventus ATM is that we fans don´t trust the club to do their job nor the manager to do his. So it´s too much uncertainty. Essentially we are the poor man´s version of City´s plan. The people in charge are questionable (Paratici) and Sarri himself too. So next year will be very interesting.