Massimiliano Allegri (215 Viewers)

[Hist]

What Allegri has been producing in his last season in his first stint, his 1st streeting as well as his 2nd spell here, will definitely deduct from his overall achievements with the club. He is on the verge of not being considered a club legend anymore, but one of the biggest frauds we ever had and couldnt get rid of.

For me it wasn't the league titles that made his name. As I said before if Sarri could do it with Allegris last squad then it couldn't have been that difficult.

What I find most impressive in his resume is the CL finals and the consistent coppa wins. The Milan league win too.

For Mancini it's what he did with City and Italy much more than winning the one horse race serie A he found himself in

 

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[Clamarc]

What Allegri has been producing in his last season in his first stint, his 1st streeting as well as his 2nd spell here, will definitely deduct from his overall achievements with the club. He is on the verge of not being considered a club legend anymore, but one of the biggest frauds we ever had and couldnt get rid of.

Nah man let's not do that. Allegri did really well in his 1st stint and we should be grateful for that.
You can criticize him all you want for the current situation but that shouldn't change what he has done in the past

 

[beowulf]

Out by Christmas. Since we seem to favor coaches that have been here before, wonder what Delneri is up to?

 

[Hist]

Out by Christmas. Since we seem to favor coaches that have been here before, wonder what Delneri is up to?

Ranieri as care taker. Always have a soft spot for that man.

 

[bongraider]

Allegri's achievements were only the direct result of having players like Lord Stefano, Imhotep and Bobby P.
without them, he's a hack

 

[juve_juve_juve]

Current fact is that this team is the highest paid team in the league, and actually definitely can be included in top 10 highest paid team in the world (including the coach) and yet somehow this team plays as bad as if not worse than literal amateur teams...

What's exactly are they doing everyday in the training ground, in the player camp etc? Are they having orgies over there or what? Why are the players getting injured right and left and also somehow getting more exhausted than the opposition after 60 minutes and yet also display no semblance of any kind of team work and team cohesion or that they've been coached and trained everyday whenever they play the matches against any kind of oppositions?

And the most damning of it all, why hasn't Allegri realize that? By now everyone has called him out, don't blame the fans if some of them has started going down the conspiracy theory stage, that Allegri is on a personal vendetta against this club...

Why not? Everyone can see the problems by now, it's either Allegri has literally gone senile or that he's on a revenge mission against this club.

 

[IlCapitano]

Max got a team with an identity, 4th title in a row and the best MF in the world, Max did a great job but let’s not rewrite the history like the other Max fanboy claims others are doing against Max when in fact they are the ones talking nonsense with tireless posts

Talking about rewriting history while rewriting history. Rich

He got a team with an identity of being embarrassing in CL and turned them into a team that can fight all the way.

He got the 3rd best midfield in the world and lost it within a year and rebuilt everything.

Thats where you are mistaken. When Lippi was winning the league in 2002/03. Milan had an equal if not better squad. Inter's squad was very strong too.

When Allegri was winning, yes his Juve was not as star studded as pre-calciopoli Juve but the Inter and Milan teams he faced were beyond horrid. Lippi won when there was near parity in the league between the top 3 on paper and in finances/purchasing power. Allegri won when there was no Inter nor Milan. Toughest team he faced was Sarri's Napoli ffs. Teams operating with half the budget who we could buy their top goal scorer the following season. Mancini's Inter won when there was no Juve and no Milan.

In a nutshell, Allegri & Mancini barely faced any local competition from an equal. Thats why even Sarri won the league and the over confidence made us try out an amateur coach in Pirlo. We figured if Sarri could do it then it can't be that difficult. In Lippi's time it was never a given that he'd win the league every year.

No I am not wrong. It is much better to have a star studded team even with equal competition than it is to have a lesser team with lesser competition. Stars always make the difference, proven by the fact he was among the favorites for every competition, unlike Allegri.

Idc about names of your main competition, you play them 2-4 times a year, league competitions are played against math, a run to get the most points.Napoli sold us their best player and then proceeded to score more goals and break the record for most points ever by a 2nd placed team in the HISTORY of the league.

Again, not arguing that Serie A is tougher now or when he was winning, but this narrative he had it all easy and walk in the park is very anti-Juve in general. Only someone who didn't watch those seasons or truly wants to prove his point would say that.

 

[duranfj]

Talking about rewriting history while rewriting history. Rich

He got a team with an identity of being embarrassing in CL and turned them into a team that can fight all the way.

He got the 3rd best midfield in the world and lost it within a year and rebuilt everything.


No I am not wrong. It is much better to have a star studded team even with equal competition than it is to have a lesser team with lesser competition. Stars always make the difference, proven by the fact he was among the favorites for every competition, unlike Allegri.

Idc about names of your main competition, you play them 2-4 times a year, league competitions are played against math, a run to get the most points.Napoli sold us their best player and then proceeded to score more goals and break the record for most points ever by a 2nd placed team in the HISTORY of the league.

Again, not arguing that Serie A is tougher now or when he was winning, but this narrative he had it all easy and walk in the park is very anti-Juve in general. Only someone who didn't watch those seasons or truly wants to prove his point would say that.

Ok, so Conte is bad in Europe, that doesn’t change the fact he got a 7th place team and became into a 4th row champion… that’s the team Max got, don’t fool yourself

Nonsense:
Serie A is harder now
Buying Pipa helped Napoli to create their beat team in HISTORY lol

I can tell you at least you are not alone in making this thread one of the worst

 

[IlCapitano]

Ok, so Conte is bad in Europe, that doesn’t change the fact he got a 7th place team and became into a 4th row champion… that’s the team Max got, don’t fool yourself

Nonsense:
Serie A is harder now
Buying Pipa helped Napoli to create their beat team in HISTORY lol

I can tell you at least you are not alone in making this thread one of the worst

I cannot help you people that facts bother you this much. I never said Conte didn't create a winning team in Serie A and took anything away from him in the league. You can't make peace with the fact that a guy you hate took over a guy you love, simple as.

Nobody ever said Conte didn't leave a winning team behind, but I am not clear why that would be a negative for Allegri? He came, won with the same team, then rebuilt a completely new team and continued winning. Nobody forced Conte out of the job, he ran away.

Rest of it you can waffle as much as you want, these are FACTS, look up the definition

 

[zizinho]

Ok, so Conte is bad in Europe, that doesn’t change the fact he got a 7th place team and became into a 4th row champion… that’s the team Max got, don’t fool yourself

Nonsense:
Serie A is harder now
Buying Pipa helped Napoli to create their beat team in HISTORY lol

I can tell you at least you are not alone in making this thread one of the worst

Conte didn't take a 7th placed team, it was Buffon, BBC, Licht, MVP, Vucinic. It was a new team compared to previous season with top players. Credit to him for making it work, but if he had the team from a season ago, you think he'd win the scudetto?
The team Max got? When we changed 3-4 starters each summer and our depth got gradually worse?
Napoli scored 86pts the season after Higuain left (83 with him I think). They scored more and conceded less. Then the season after 90pts or 91, forgot. They had his goalscoring replaced by Mertens and others, while they improved as a team in other areas. If your opponent wins 86 points, do you think it's more or less difficult to win than if your opponent wins 78 points?

 

[Dominic]

Conte completely changed the mentality and intensity. Don’t take that away from him

 

[duranfj]

I cannot help you people that facts bother you this much. I never said Conte didn't create a winning team in Serie A and took anything away from him in the league. You can't make peace with the fact that a guy you hate took over a guy you love, simple as.

Nobody ever said Conte didn't leave a winning team behind, but I am not clear why that would be a negative for Allegri? He came, won with the same team, then rebuilt a completely new team and continued winning. Nobody forced Conte out of the job, he ran away.

Rest of it you can waffle as much as you want, these are FACTS, look up the definition

People were talking, I think you too but I’m not sure, about how Max “built” a winning team in his first stint and that’s misleading things clearly and discredit Conte at the same time

Conte and Max teams have that Juve spirit, fighting mindset that define us. At the beginning of his second year in this new term, Max hasn’t been able to do the same, we still looks like Arsenal or some other EPL pussy team

Facts? We ended 4th last season, we are 6th now and Max is talking about fifth positive results, if the Avvocato were here, he would hit Andrea for allowing such a weak and loser image

 

[IlCapitano]

Allegri built his own team yes after they sold him 95% of the players Conte had, he didn't build Conte's team.

 

[Juve92]

 

[Cerval]

IlMuppeto's fanboyism lead to Zaniolo's injury

 

[duranfj]

Conte didn't take a 7th placed team, it was Buffon, BBC, Licht, MVP, Vucinic. It was a new team compared to previous season with top players. Credit to him for making it work, but if he had the team from a season ago, you think he'd win the scudetto?
The team Max got? When we changed 3-4 starters each summer and our depth got gradually worse?
Napoli scored 86pts the season after Higuain left (83 with him I think). They scored more and conceded less. Then the season after 90pts or 91, forgot. They had his goalscoring replaced by Mertens and others, while they improved as a team in other areas. If your opponent wins 86 points, do you think it's more or less difficult to win than if your opponent wins 78 points?

We were a 7th place team, that’s a fact. BBC and MVP wasn’t any reference before Conte, Pirlo was a Milan rejected, Marchisio was played in so many different roles that it was hard for him to shine. Barza was doing okay-ish in Germany.

For instance, Kulu looks horrible with us, it’s looking good and possible great with Conte so it matters a lot in a player and a team mindset

Napoli? Please, I haven’t seen a Milan weaker than those years, Merda are loser by nature, Roma was pushing to get last drop of their reference players. No, I don’t think it was hard to beat the only team could have possible challenge us because 1) we bought their striker 2) they need Maradona to win something 3) they don’t resist pressure, beat example is we finished 4th thanks to them, against who they lost? Verona or something, ridiculous

Max did great in his first stint, but he didn’t “built” that team

 

[zizinho]

We were a 7th place team, that’s a fact. BBC and MVP wasn’t any reference before Conte, Pirlo was a Milan rejected, Marchisio was played in so many different roles that it was hard for him to shine. Barza was doing okay-ish in Germany.

For instance, Kulu looks horrible with us, it’s looking good and possible great with Conte so it matters a lot in a player and a team mindset

Napoli? Please, I haven’t seen a Milan weaker than those years, Merda are loser by nature, Roma was pushing to get last drop of their reference players. No, I don’t think it was hard to beat the only team could have possible challenge us because 1) we bought their striker 2) they need Maradona to win something 3) they don’t resist pressure, beat example is we finished 4th thanks to them, against who they lost? Verona or something, ridiculous

Max did great in his first stint, but he didn’t “built” that team

We were 7th the year before Conte arrived, but we weren't a 7th place team after the summer mercato. The pieces were there, you just needed a coach to fit them in. As I said already, props to Conte for that, but let's not pretend he was coaching a bunch of Serie B level players. Because Bonucci was there a year only and Barza arrived 6 months prior. Pirlo was WC still, not any reject. By the same logic, Tevez was a City reject, Cuads a Chelsea reject and Mandzukic a Atletico reject. I could go on.

Kulu went to a leage tailor made for him, not saying Conte had no influence but he wouldn't have the same success if he stayed in Serie A, regardless of coach.

Again you are talking about something that's not there. Wasn't Roma and Lazio finishing ahead of the same Milan and inter you mention back in those years as well? Or am I reading the table incorrectly? Fact is, Napoli and Roma pushed us to the end (not because they were as good as us in a direct matchup, but because league competition a marathon where you need consistently above quality) winning record number of points for a2nd place team (Napoli 90, Milan 88, Roma 87, Roma 85) and also for a 3rd placed team. Both finished above 85pts one season and above 80pts in another season. Contes Juve won the league with 84 and 87 points. If you win 90 points out of 114, that means you need to be consistently elite throughout a season. 3 bad nights and you might lose the league if your closest competition is playing at that pace as well. "Legendary Milan and inter" doesn't apply here when they would finish behind Roma or Lazio in a year where we would win the scudetto. It's as simple as that

 

[Clamarc]

Fact is Allegri suck now.
Conte is still a good coach for league competition.
Lippi is retired.
All this pointless comparison using past achievements is so cringe lol

 

[Stevie]

I remember someone on this forum once said "arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics...

Even if you win, you are still a retard"

 

[Sjaban]

Hope the club sees the light and goes for an elite non-italian coach if Allegri gets sacked, but that’s probably not going to happen