Massimiliano Allegri (298 Viewers)

[Hist]

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The club that spent the most money has won serie a which is Ac Milan.

We operate at a whole different level of budget. Look at the expenditure, the names we pull, even the names we sell and where they go.

Expenditure we are way way ahead. People are aware that we are perceived like Bayern or PSG are by their local competitors right? Just mismanaged for the last few years.

 

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[Stevie]

So 2nd group stage exit (Leverkusen, Deportivo, Arsenal), final loss (Milan), Ro.16 exit (Deportivo) is better to you than final (GOAT Barca), Ro.16 (Bayern), final (GOAT Madrid), QF (Madrid again)? Just be be clear

4 CL finals, a CL win and a World Cup win amongst multiple league title wins ( 5 scudetto), multiple Coppa and super Coppa wins and a Uefa super cup win says you are wrong. Can't believe you tried to compare Allegri to Lippi

 

[zizinho]

4 CL finals, a CL win and a World Cup win amongst multiple league title wins ( 5 scudetto), multiple Coppa and super Coppa wins and a Uefa super cup win says you are wrong. Can't believe you tried to compare Allegri to Lippi

Do you always not read the post you reply to?

 

[Hist]

4 CL finals, a CL win and a World Cup win amongst multiple league title wins ( 5 scudetto), multiple Coppa and super Coppa wins and a Uefa super cup win says you are wrong. Can't believe you tried to compare Allegri to Lippi

Not to mention that Lippi coached us when Serie A was the most competitive league in the world by some margin not the one horse race Serie A was before and after his first stint with us (we literally were dominatig serie A before and after his tenureship with very different coaches and players).

Serie A title in 2002/03 is not equal Serie A titles 2012-now. Key difference being that our #2 that Lippi spanked what was a legendary AC Milan that beat us to the CL title. That Serie A was ahead of the rest, kinda similar to how EPL is today.

Amazing how the one horse race context of Allegri's Serie A titles with us is totally ignored when talking about his successes. But detailed nuance suddenly appears if we are talking Pep, Conte or Mancini's successes all of whom have more impressive trophy cabinets than this dinosaur

 

[Stevie]

Do you always not read the post you reply to?

I do. So you want to compare since 2001? A CL final in which we narrowly lost on penalities and would of won easily if Nedved wasn't suspended. 2 scuddetto, 2 super Coppas when serie A was the best league in the world is still more impressive than what Allegri achieved. He had by far the best squad in an awfully weak Serie A with barely any competition and one of the best squads in Europe.

 

[Dino_mk]

Even top teams lose to the minnows that’s nothing new

Exactly, top teams sometimes drop points against minnows, but their game stats looks totally different from Juve's. And usually minnows goalkeeper is man of the match.

 

[PedroFlu]

This semester doesn't count. Di Maria, Pogba and Chiesa absence compromise the team.

Actually, this season doesn't count. These guys need a fully fit preseason under them.

Let's start judging Allegri in 2023-24. Then it will be on!

 

[IlCapitano]

Not to mention that Lippi coached us when Serie A was the most competitive league in the world by some margin not the one horse race Serie A was before and after his first stint with us (we literally were dominatig serie A before and after his tenureship with very different coaches and players).

Serie A title in 2002/03 is not equal Serie A titles 2012-now. Key difference being that our #2 that Lippi spanked what was a legendary AC Milan that beat us to the CL title. That Serie A was ahead of the rest, kinda similar to how he EPL is today.

Amazing how the one horse race context of Allegri's Serie A titles with us is totally ignored when talking about his successes. But detailed nuance suddenly appears if we are talking Pep, Conte or Mancini's successes all of whom have more impressive trophy cabinets than this dinosaur

I do. So you want to compare since 2001? A CL final in which we narrowly lost on penalities and would of won easily if Nedved wasn't suspended. 2 scuddetto, 2 super Coppas when serie A was the best league in the world is still more impressive than what Allegri achieved. He had by far the best squad in an awfully weak Serie A with barely any competition and one of the best squads in Europe.

If you ever needed more proof that nobody hates Juventus like Juventus 'fans' and nobody needs Inter and Milan fans around with shit like this.

I guess we will take away Juve's 11 trophies under Allegri since they were practically gifted. They don't count for him, so why would they count for the players or the club he represented?

I also learned today that Lippi (the greatest coach Juve ever had) had to fight against Milan's super team with a bunch of retards called Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Thuram, Camo, Zidane, Inzaghi, Vialli, Conte, Davids, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Trezeguet etc. If only he had such superstars like Higuain, Dybala, Costa, BBC, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Tevez, Morata etc. like the 3rd best coach Juve ever had, then he would have shown them.

I was also today years old when I learned 8 and 13 are > 13

 

[maxi]

This semester doesn't count. Di Maria, Pogba and Chiesa absence compromise the team.

Actually, this season doesn't count. These guys need a fully fit preseason under them.

Let's start judging Allegri in 2023-24. Then it will be on!

Please tell me you're being sarcastic

 

[Hist]

If you ever needed more proof that nobody hates Juventus like Juventus 'fans' and nobody needs Inter and Milan fans around with shit like this.

I guess we will take away Juve's 11 trophies under Allegri since they were practically gifted. They don't count for him, so why would they count for the players or the club he represented?

I also learned today that Lippi (the greatest coach Juve ever had) had to fight against Milan's super team with a bunch of retards called Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Thuram, Camo, Zidane, Inzaghi, Vialli, Conte, Davids, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Trezeguet etc. If only he had such superstars like Higuain, Dybala, Costa, BBC, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Tevez, Morata etc. like the 3rd best coach Juve ever had, then he would have shown them.

I was also today years old when I learned 8 and 13 are > 13

They can only play what's in front of them and Allegri did the maximum that can be done in the environment he was in. But let's not pretend that his wins or Mancinis Serie A titles were anywhere near as competitive as Lippi's.

They're not worthless titles but if we are comparing achievements from different eras then the background context matters

 

[IlCapitano]

They can only play what's in front of them and Allegri did the maximum that can be done in the environment he was in. But let's not pretend that his wins or Mancinis Serie A titles were anywhere near as competitive as Lippi's.

Let's also not pretend their teams were anywhere near as good as Lippi's. It goes both ways.

Only Pirlo from first Conte's season, Conte's Vidal and Allegri's Pogba would have a place starting for Lippi's teams, Chiellini too probably. Rest of it even though great at that moment does not compare whatsoever to teams we had before farsopoli

 

[JUVEMOOD]

So now we are done with Conte/Allegri comparison and take it a level up to Lippi/Allegri.

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[Hist]

Let's also not pretend their teams were anywhere near as good as Lippi's. It goes both ways.

Only Pirlo from first Conte's season, Conte's Vidal and Allegri's Pogba would have a place starting for Lippi's teams, Chiellini too probably. Rest of it even though great at that moment does not compare whatsoever to teams we had before farsopoli

Goes both ways for Mancini too. I am assuming that during his dominance we all believed that he wouldn't have stood a chance without Calciopoli destroying Juve and Milan.

Also goes both ways for the Milan and Inter that Lippi faced. Players they had were of a different level than what they had during Allegris period. That Milan had insane players

 

[JUVEMOOD]

This is laughable on so many levels


Trying to compare the 5 league titles of Allegri with a 2nd place place of that of Lippi is a disgrace.. beyond stupidity..

Stick to "but bur 3-0 vs Barca" for fuck sake


Even the r16 to THE Deportivo exist is still much much much better than 3-0 vs. Fucking Vilarreal


Fucking Vilarreal




This Allegri delusion is beyond repair

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[#10]

Right - putting the usual history discussion behind us for one moment, who think all this bus parking practice will help us against PSG?
For me it had better be the silver lining that allows us to land one on “Destroyers of Football as we know it” PSG.
In a sick sadistic way, Football needs a EuroMax tomorrow, it needs a prime juve.

 

[IlCapitano]

Goes both ways for Mancini too. I am assuming that during his dominance we all believed that he wouldn't have stood a chance without Calciopoli destroying Juve and Milan.

Also goes both ways for the Milan and Inter that Lippi faced. Players they had were of a different level than what they had during Allegris period. That Milan had insane players

And Juve had insane players. Competition was stronger but Juve was stronger too. And one of the richest, most powerful clubs in the world btw

For Allegri yeah competition was weaker but he also didn't have Juve as powerful and in demand as with the superstars Lippi had.

And I am not comparing them, Lippi is the best Juve coach ever, just stop discrediting one guy to prop up the other because you are not just discrediting the guy you dislike but also the entire club and all the players

 

[Stevie]

If you ever needed more proof that nobody hates Juventus like Juventus 'fans' and nobody needs Inter and Milan fans around with shit like this.

I guess we will take away Juve's 11 trophies under Allegri since they were practically gifted. They don't count for him, so why would they count for the players or the club he represented?

I also learned today that Lippi (the greatest coach Juve ever had) had to fight against Milan's super team with a bunch of retards called Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Thuram, Camo, Zidane, Inzaghi, Vialli, Conte, Davids, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Trezeguet etc. If only he had such superstars like Higuain, Dybala, Costa, BBC, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Tevez, Morata etc. like the 3rd best coach Juve ever had, then he would have shown them.

I was also today years old when I learned 8 and 13 are > 13

You are deluded man... I give up. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Hist]

If you think about it you should realize that before Calciopoli (especially in early 2000s) there was much more parity between the top 3 teams in Italy. All 3 historic clubs had great squads and top coaches and were loaded financially constantly making big moves on the market. Thats why Lippi's era is more meaningful.

Since Calciopoli there was always a clear advantage to one of the 3. Started with Inter for about half a decade and then Juve for a decade.

To this day we have a clear advantage financially over the others we just havent been able to translate it to performances on the pitch the last couple of years or so. We have a stadium, can attract big names on the market, can beat EPL teams to the likes of De Ligt and Vlahovic despite not winning for 2 years. Meanwhile Inter let go of Conte, Lukaku and Hakimi off the back of winning their title while Milan buys unknown youngsters and fail to renew star players.

This league is for the taking. The longer time we waste the more they'll close the gap on us.

 

[IlCapitano]

You are deluded man... I give up. Let's just agree to disagree.

Deluded by saying Lippi is a better coach than Max or saying Lippi had better teams along with better competition?

Which of these statements do you disagree with?

 

[Hist]

And Juve had insane players. Competition was stronger but Juve was stronger too. And one of the richest, most powerful clubs in the world btw

For Allegri yeah competition was weaker but he also didn't have Juve as powerful and in demand as with the superstars Lippi had.

And I am not comparing them, Lippi is the best Juve coach ever, just stop discrediting one guy to prop up the other because you are not just discrediting the guy you dislike but also the entire club and all the players

I am not discrediting him he did the maximum in the environment he had. The comparison to Lippi's was started by someone else I am responding to it.

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So now we are done with Conte/Allegri comparison and take it a level up to Lippi/Allegri.

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The more Allegri sucks in the present the more his past gets overrated to balance things out