Massimiliano Allegri (215 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

I love that this forum is now 100% in support for the youngsters. Two years ago people were more cautious

Better yet, there was no way any should start because it was "impossible" that they could be better than our regular starters last year. After all, Allegri sees them everyday in training and I guess is faultless in his decision making.

 

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[Vlad]

Who did we have 2 years ago? Demiral? Dragusin? Kean?

No youngster from our youth, someone we 'apparently' overlooked, became 1st team player at a top club... If you look back the last 2 decades, only Marchisio was good enough. Others are mediocre at best that went to ply their trade at midtable Serie A clubs or simply disappeared.

 

[U Picciriddu]

2 years ago we had no one, right now we have best young player of serię b and Miretti who shines in serię a, it's normal we are excited.

No not true, two years ago not many cared benching Fagioli a year and he became the best young player in Serie B afterwards. So we had him for example. Of course he was back in his development.

 

[Tak!]

So as I understand it. He says to Loca to spread the ball. He tells Miretti to look for open space further up and not stray too far from Vlahovic - who should stand still. Vlahovic eventually gets bored and makes a run but everyone notices too late and either set him up too late (offside), too poorly or just don't notice it at all. But he seems annoyed with the same things as we are. So what is wrong? On paper, this eleven people should be able to do better. As someone here wrote earlier, we look like eleven strangers. I fully agree. Kostic looks incredibly lost but that is fine and understandable. But it's like... I can't put my finger on it. We've had so many people coming and going, all failing to make this team play as a team. Even if our CMs has been mid-table they should still manage to perform as a mid-table midfield. But they haven't. They've been a bunch of B2Bs looking like relegation battlers. Look, yes, the set up has been just awful. But even so a coach should still be able to make a team out of it.

I've critized Allegri for years because he lacks ideology. But as a manager I still hold him very high. It could well be that he is part of the equation of our awful possession or fruitless attacks. Someone wrote earlier that it doesn't look like we exercise the attacking phase on the training ground. That may be true. It looks like we spent the last weeks on high pressing because that phase is actually looking far better now than a few weeks ago. But I am now also starting to wonder about our coaches. Pirlo was never able to transfer his idea to his players but my impression was that it included the coaches on the training ground too. They didn't understand what he wanted and thus how to train the players. Heck, even Tudor went against him. Although that may be because he actually understood him.

With Sarri... I think several years of kicking the ball towards row Z and hope Dybala manage to find it before the audience does, and then score.... well that just took a toll. No one was willing to suddenly stop and do some triangles and press high instead of immediately regrouping after lost possession. We are still there. In the first games you could see the players unsurely standing still for half a sec when possession was lost and then immediately try to recover space backwards. When we lost possession I just wanted to go and hold Cuadrado's hand and ask him what was going through his head. He, like everyone else, froze. It's like they all mentally replayed what the gaffer was saying "PRESS HIGH, CHASE THE BALL" but then noticed each other, that they all were in the cinema and while they were in the cinema the chance of pressing was lost so they then regroup. You have to press immediately and if you don't manage to pin 'em down, then regroup of course. But that has to start immediately with no hesitation. Yet there's no instinct to recover possession and push higher. Like I wrote earlier, it's improving in the last two games but in an transition phase. It's like our comfort zone is to sit back and then we have no idea when someone yells "PRESS" or "VERTICAL PASS". Under Sarri I just thought it was the old guard that didn't want to change (and I think that was also the case) but there is something else too. Something is just terribly wrong internally. If neither manager can change it. If we put on Miretti, who does his thing but no one else does, something is wrong. Any time a new player comes that isn't integrated into our dull tracking back and horizontal passing (at best), they look like totally different people. Excited, forward-thinking and pressing high (albeit alone). i don't know how many times we had the opportunity to press high and Ronaldo kept trying to fire up the boys to chase 'em down with him. But no one ever followed. They happily sat back and watching him do-the-Rabbit.

In short... are our coaches useless? Is this really solely about the gaffer and the players?

Finally, I understand there's some memories from before. When Allegri came the simplest fix he could do was to just tell everyone to regroup after possession was lost. Our defending was so poor we needed to regroup immediately. It's a quick fix that got stuck with us, mentally. Allegri did the same before (with occasional high pressing for tactical purposes on opposition weakness) but now he seems to wants to change. In a way, he is fixing "himself". Sarri tried to change his doing and failed. So did Pirlo. Can Allegri conquer himself?

Sorry for long post, have no time to re-read it so hope there's at least some sense in there. It's mostly me thinking out loud.

 

[DanielSz]

Overall, Serie A ranked 38th out of 40 leagues in terms of percentage of minutes played by club-trained players during this season, averaging 7.1 per cent.

The other major European Leagues don’t fare much better, the Bundesliga with 9.9 per cent, Ligue 1 has 11.8 per cent, the English Premier League 12.1 per cent and Spanish LaLiga 17 per cent.

In club terms, Genoa are the Serie A side with the most minutes played by home-grown players, 23.9 per cent of the minutes from eight players.

Roma are the highest-ranking ‘big’ club on 14.1 per cent of minutes with six players, then Milan way down on 7.3 per cent of minutes from four players and Napoli 6.00 per cent of minutes with two players.

Inter managed only 3.5 per cent of minutes with two players and Juventus even less at 2.6 per cent with two players.

Juve are the biggest outlier, because they are the only Italian club who also have an Under-23 youth team playing in the third tier – Serie C – which in theory was meant to prepare youngsters to go straight into the senior squad, but that has hardly happened under Max Allegri’s watch.
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This is pathetic tbh, but hopefully were gonna see this shit change, starting this season with the likes of Miretti and Fagioli. I remember reading I think Bini say ideally they would integrate at least two home grown players into the first team every season. Considering the investment they made with the u23, it has to be a priority and Allegri has to be on board.

 

[Karim30]

Overall, Serie A ranked 38th out of 40 leagues in terms of percentage of minutes played by club-trained players during this season, averaging 7.1 per cent.

The other major European Leagues don’t fare much better, the Bundesliga with 9.9 per cent, Ligue 1 has 11.8 per cent, the English Premier League 12.1 per cent and Spanish LaLiga 17 per cent.

In club terms, Genoa are the Serie A side with the most minutes played by home-grown players, 23.9 per cent of the minutes from eight players.

Roma are the highest-ranking ‘big’ club on 14.1 per cent of minutes with six players, then Milan way down on 7.3 per cent of minutes from four players and Napoli 6.00 per cent of minutes with two players.

Inter managed only 3.5 per cent of minutes with two players and Juventus even less at 2.6 per cent with two players.

Juve are the biggest outlier, because they are the only Italian club who also have an Under-23 youth team playing in the third tier – Serie C – which in theory was meant to prepare youngsters to go straight into the senior squad, but that has hardly happened under Max Allegri’s watch.
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This is pathetic tbh, but hopefully were gonna see this shit change, starting this season with the likes of Miretti and Fagioli. I remember reading I think Bini say ideally they would integrate at least two home grown players into the first team every season. Considering the investment they made with the u23, it has to be a priority and Allegri has to be on board.

“We kept some of our younger players and that was always an objective.”

He obviously is as long as they are good, I expect at least De Winter next season if he establishes himself as starter.

 

[DanielSz]

“We kept some of our younger players and that was always an objective.”

He obviously is as long as they are good, I expect at least De Winter next season if he establishes himself as starter.

Allegri seemed to like De Winter, so I’d say he’s probably the most likely to stick next season. I also hope Ranocchia has a good season, but he wasn’t a dry loan so they may not want to buy him back unless its obvious they can’t lose him. Plus, I think Rovella will return so they may not even have space.

 

[Karim30]

Allegri seemed to like De Winter, so I’d say he’s probably the most likely to stick next season. I also hope Ranocchia has a good season, but he wasn’t a dry loan so they may not want to buy him back unless its obvious they can’t lose him. Plus, I think Rovella will return so they may not even have space.

Yup hopefully Rovella replaces Rabiot and De Winter replaces Rugani. That would help us concentrate all time and effort on upgrading LB and RB and add another winger especially if De Maria calls it a day.

 

[DanielSz]

Yup hopefully Rovella replaces Rabiot and De Winter replaces Rugani. That would help us concentrate all time and effort on upgrading LB and RB and add another winger especially if De Maria calls it a day.

hopefully Cambiaso shows he can be that LB this year so they can invest elsewhere.

 

[Stevie]

This is the kind of performance you get when you decide to bench our 2 best / most in form players against one of our biggest rivals.

Idiot.

 

[bianconera_BG]

Just get this f'n clown out of this club already ffs... Sick and tired of watching his stone age football.

Defending like crazy and scoring barely, doesn't matter if he plays against Real Madrid or f'n Catanzaro .

So sick and tired of his crap.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

I stand by it. You will not find a more boring, uninspiring club to watch week in, week out than us. Especially when you factor in our resources.

It's unacceptable.

 

[Elvin]

At the end of the 1st half my commentator said: Juventus has a huge number of fans worldwide, a huge trophy cabinet, huge amounts of investments; they simply should not be playing like this. Far cry from the times of Del Piero, Ravanelli and others.

I felt ashamed of my team.

 

[Vlad]

Calma, we got dis

 

[Klin]

Our football is 30 years old. We can't build any momentum whatsoever. We lack quailty, sure, but we're not this bad.

 

[Stevie]

I dare anyone try and defend this clown anymore.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Why De Sciglio? I swear I’ll never undestand some of his choices

 

[abstract]

Why De Sciglio? I swear I’ll never undestand some of his choices

Who else ? Cuadrado moves to ADM position, DS plays left back.

right back*

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Who else ? Cuadrado moves to ADM position, DS plays left back.

And we remove the little creativity we can get from this squad by doing that. It’s not like we need to leave our own half

 

[abstract]

And we remove the little creativity we can get from this squad by doing that. It’s not like we need to leave our own half

Di Maria is injured.