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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,238
I have to ask

You prefer Conte work ethics to Allegri's?
FYI... I am someone who would take Conte back 10000000 times before thinking of Allegri.

And Allegri only take defending seriously.


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In terms of work ethic there's no comparison to be made. Conte is now world-renowned for demanding hard work from all of his players. Physical football as well as rigorously instilling his tactical approach into every player so they know what he expects of them. Even with the signings of Lichtsteiner, Vidal, Pirlo and whoever else Conte was THE most important new arrival that year. As a past captain he knew what being a part of Juventus meant, and took it on himself for us to reclaim it by force. The guy is driven by the idea of winning. He named his daughter Victoria for god's sake :lol: He's a manager who achieves success through hard work, and being prepared to grind down opponents. Meet them head on and be ready to go further than they do. It's the very same DNA (cringe) that I mentioned before, he's got Juventus written all over him.

Would I take Conte back now? To be honest this is perhaps a little immature but I'm still really fucked off with the guy. After was making public statements of despair at how poor we were, and how Marrotta wouldn't let him buy expensive players. In the end he issued an ultimatum and was shown the door, but did so at a hugely inconvenient time for the club, and ultimately the red line for him was Iturbe, who obviously did not have a wild career. Above all, he did that after the club stood right by him during that nonsense with his ban he got from the FIGC for not reporting things that he didn't see. He was going apeshit in interviews calling out the FIGC for such an insane move, as I remember. But with him as our leader we didn't crack- we pulled together like a family, kept working hard and made sure that we would win in spite of him not being on the touchline. So successful were we in this that Di Laurentis was accusing us of having a secret tunnel in the stadium to allow him to address the players at half time :lol: We were Juve again. Conte brought that back, and then he threw it all in our faces.

After he quit, leaving us in the lurch Allegri obviously took our supposedly cheap asses to the CL final with the same squad Conte would have had, and Antonio ended up as the Italy manager, working for the same FIGC who had targeted him for his ludicrous ban less than a year earlier. And this cuck suddenly was going on about how 'My ban helped me to grow'. He then ends up as INTER coach...a former captain and the embodiment of the Juve spirit coaching Inter. Fucking hell. It was like a defection, like he gives Inter the secrets to the Juventus style of play and won Serie A with it. THEN he flips off Agnelli while coach of our most bitter rivals. Completely unacceptable seeing him go all in on being a part of Inter like that. Honestly in spite of his achievements I'd like to see his star removed. He's not one of us anymore.
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Allegri ignored him in the most important game of the season vs Ajax in favor of De Sciglio. This after he was fundamental against Atletico. Same with Spinazzola and Sandro. He will always revert back to what he knows and will never change.
Please. What utter rubbish. He played him all season long as our starter. Being benched for one match after he had an appalling game prior doesn’t mean he was ignored and not given a chance here lol

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Well.. I don't think Tonali is anything special.
Vidal was the realistic choice for Conte to win the league.

Results mattered more than Serie B from Brescia "Tonali who"

Except Conte's whinning which is annoying as fuck.. and his CL record (which is somehow arguable),, Conte is 1000 times a better manager and coach.

For example.. one of the best tacticians and managers in the history of football Lippi had rough years and record in CL as well. Would you for example keep talking on Lippi's 3 lost finals? Or some of the humilating defeats with Juve and the one year spell with Inter?

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:rofl:

Yeah… no. 2014-15 season showed exactly the opposite. Lol
 
Aug 2, 2005
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But I can compare the guy who has failed to get out of CL group stage in 3 of 5 attempts to the guy who has progressed 9 times out of 9… right? I wonder which is which.
You forget the 3-0 vs. Barca LOL

One vs. Galatasaray in snow cover arena in a game that should have been abandoned
2nd at troubled Inter where you have a choice to abandon CL for domestic trophy..

The 9/9 were expected results btw..

I don't even know what is Allegri's strengths as a manager.. Playstyle? Grinta? Counters?

Different tastes I guess..

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DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Please. What utter rubbish. He played him all season long as our starter. Being benched for one match after he had an appalling game prior doesn’t mean he was ignored and not given a chance here lol
Appaling game where he had an assist? He was also benched for De Sciglio in the first leg vs Madrid, so that excuse is weak anyway. Funny though, they didn't lose any of the games he started in those two knockout rounds. They lost both he didn't however. And he fucked off after a season, so I doubt he felt Allegros trust.
 

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Feb 9, 2013
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You forget the 3-0 vs. Barca LOL

One vs. Galatasaray in snow cover arena in a game that should have been abandoned
2nd at troubled Inter where you have a choice to abandon CL for domestic trophy..

The 9/9 were expected results btw..

I don't even know what is Allegri's strengths as a manager.. Playstyle? Grinta? Counters?

Different tastes I guess..

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Good excuses for failing in CL group stage to Galatasaray, random Danish teams, Shaktar, Gladbach, and the like :lol:
 
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Good excuses for failing in CL group stage to Galatasaray, random Danish teams, Shaktar, Gladbach, and the like
It happens LOL
At least never heard his players dare to call him "Cagon" which he is
Enjoy defending 1-0 leads and then losing it and the energy conserving "for i dont know who" style

And enjoy this quote

"there will be more games like the one against Samp, especially at the start of the season, the so-called dirty games. What we must do is avoid frustration because it can happen to us and everyone else.”

This is coming from a JUVENTUS manager

Eventually... I would be very happy for US to see Allegri succeed here. I myself does not respect his mindset.. that is it.

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It happens LOL
At least never heard his players dare to call him "Cagon" which he is
Enjoy defending 1-0 leads and then losing it and the energy conserving "for i dont know who" style

And enjoy this quote

"there will be more games like the one against Samp, especially at the start of the season, the so-called dirty games. What we must do is avoid frustration because it can happen to us and everyone else.”

This is coming from a JUVENTUS manager

Eventually... I would be very happy for US to see Allegri succeed here. I myself does not respect his mindset.. that is it.

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:lol:

But you respect “we can’t dine in 100 euro restaurant with 10 euros” before a CL knockout match, basically conceding defeat before the match, and then spending the match trying not to lose by more instead of actually trying to score. Because that’s Conte. :heart:
 

duranfj

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Jul 30, 2015
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Agreed. He’s getting ridiculous in his comments to the media now, used to like how media savvy he was in his first stint but he seems to have lost his mind.

This obsession he has with ‘playing beautifully doesn’t win games’ has actually turned into a belief that ‘You have to play terribly to try to win games’. He’s getting delirious in his old age
Exactly, our moto even it says “winning isn’t important, it’s the only thing that matters” so why he has to push harder in a moment like this. Hopefully we can collect a good amount of points at the beginning because it looks like we are going to collapse completely if things gets a bit thug
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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Agreed. He’s getting ridiculous in his comments to the media now, used to like how media savvy he was in his first stint but he seems to have lost his mind.

This obsession he has with ‘playing beautifully doesn’t win games’ has actually turned into a belief that ‘You have to play terribly to try to win games’. He’s getting delirious in his old age
People who want to be entertained by the team they pay hundreds of dollars to watch are footballing peasant hipsters.
 

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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,238
People who want to be entertained by the team they pay hundreds of dollars to watch are footballing peasant hipsters.
For me you are one of the most knowledgable posters on this forum on football.

I would say though that for me if you're in a seat in the stadium watching your team live it's not the same as buying a ticket for the cinema. In the stands you are an active participant. It's your role to drive encouragement to the players, to sing, to applaud, to shout, to swear, to suffer, enjoy, agonise, celebrate, to share in the experience with the players because while the fans are not part of the squad they are very much a part of a team.

If you buy a ticket, sit down and don't engage or involve yourself with the energy of the ebbs and flows of the game, instead waiting to be entertained then...I wouldn't say you're a hipster but for me you've missed the point.
 
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MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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For me you are one of the most knowledgable posters on this forum on football.

I would say though that for me if you're in a seat in the stadium watching your team live it's not the same as buying a ticket for the cinema. In the stands you are an active participant. It's your role to drive encouragement to the players, to sing, to applaud, to shout, to swear, to suffer, enjoy, agonise, celebrate, to share in the experience with your team because while the fans are not part of the squad they are very much a part of a team.

If you buy a ticket, sit down and don't engage or involve yourself with the energy of the ebbs and flows of the game, instead waiting to be entertained then...I wouldn't say you're a hipster but for me you've missed the point.
Well I agree with that. It's just the outright disgust that some people have at casual fans who want to be entertained when they turn the TV on instead of watching 50 snoozers a year, that I find misguided.

There are many kinds of football fans. I wouldn't be quick to judge some that just want to be entertained. But in any case, being this boring and not winning is not great.
 

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
For me you are one of the most knowledgable posters on this forum on football.

I would say though that for me if you're in a seat in the stadium watching your team live it's not the same as buying a ticket for the cinema. In the stands you are an active participant. It's your role to drive encouragement to the players, to sing, to applaud, to shout, to swear, to suffer, enjoy, agonise, celebrate, to share in the experience with the players because while the fans are not part of the squad they are very much a part of a team.

If you buy a ticket, sit down and don't engage or involve yourself with the energy of the ebbs and flows of the game, instead waiting to be entertained then...I wouldn't say you're a hipster but for me you've missed the point.
Absolutely. That’s absolutely a supporters role, so many times at the Stadium we’ve seen the fans make that kind of difference. The Kop in Anfield genuinely seems to be able to suck the ball into the goal with their support.

But fans should also hold the team to standards and when those standards are not being met they should be able to give that reaction to the players - we would expect managers to read the riot act to players when they are not performing and the fans should do the same. Entertainment is one thing, but lazy play, misplaced passes, lacking commitment and hard work and lacking ideas will create a negative fan environment and that’s also acceptable.

We deserved to be booed for 90 mins in the samp game!
 

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
Fortunately for us, it was an away game.

If we display any of that insipid nonchalant attitude in the Roma game in under 12 hours, the fans should boo the players and even walk out if the performance doesn't improve in the last 15-20 minutes.
Yep, if we play that octagon formation again and field Rabiot and/or McKennie then I think it’s probably time to go back to the empty stadiums and cancel all broadcasting rights for Juve games so we all miss the games
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
1,825
Should just go with simple 4-4-2 and forget all the overanalyzing he’s doing while on sleep. You can see from his face that there’s a candle light and then theres a pen and couple post it notes while staying up till 3am writing down all the horror scenarios he could possibly think of. Guy couldn’t prob even pick the lottery numbers just because when he’s bout to pick 17, he prob thinks what if it’s 16 or 18 instead?
 

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