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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,265
It’s literally a game for entertainment. How about we don’t?

Fuck Allegri tho, I agree
You're not wrong, but for many of us it's not just a game. I may have been initially attracted to Juve because of certain players and the cool black/white stripes (white/black/yellow is such a sweet colour combo), but the reason I'm so invested in them today is because I identify with the core values in the Juve DNA (can't believe I used that cringey phrase but here we are).

Seeing a Juventus team which embodies the grinta, the non lottare mai and the determined focus on getting the job done primarily through outworking opponents really inspires me in my day-to-day life. These are principles that I value, and seeing Juve demonstrate them on the pitch helps me to invoke them in myself. Seeing a limp and directionless Juve team is disappointing on many levels, but anything which gives the sense that Allegri isn't taking his job seriously is actually offensive to me, because that is the opposite of what I expect from Juventus FC. I'm all in on these Juventino values, and that's what I want from the team.

Maybe that's just me. I think we see and understand football differently, though. You see it through a statistical lens and perhaps as a bit of fun to tune into on the TV and discuss on this forum- and that's perfectly fine! But for me it's an important part of my self-identity.
 
Aug 2, 2005
4,420
I expect a 1-1 draw at best.. Dybala will score a freekick and not celebrate. Our goals will be from some stupid mistake by Roma or soft penal..
Performance will be super shit either way..
Roma will dominate the game..

After match interview.. might play a game to note the 2 differences between after match interviews of Roma and Samp games.

TUZ meltdown will be fabulous

Good thing now is we are going to play every 3 days so we can forget about the previous game..

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Aug 2, 2005
4,420
You're not wrong, but for many of us it's not just a game. I may have been initially attracted to Juve because of certain players and the cool black/white stripes (white/black/yellow is such a sweet colour combo), but the reason I'm so invested in them today is because I identify with the core values in the Juve DNA (can't believe I used that cringey phrase but here we are).

Seeing a Juventus team which embodies the grinta, the non lottare mai and the determined focus on getting the job done primarily through outworking opponents really inspires me in my day-to-day life. These are principles that I value, and seeing Juve demonstrate them on the pitch helps me to invoke them in myself. Seeing a limp and directionless Juve team is disappointing on many levels, but anything which gives the sense that Allegri isn't taking his job seriously is actually offensive to me, because that is the opposite of what I expect from Juventus FC. I'm all in on these Juventino values, and that's what I want from the team.

Maybe that's just me. I think we see and understand football differently, though. You see it through a statistical lens and perhaps as a bit of fun to tune into on the TV and discuss on this forum- and that's perfectly fine! But for me it's an important part of my self-identity.
I have to ask

You prefer Conte work ethics to Allegri's?
FYI... I am someone who would take Conte back 10000000 times before thinking of Allegri.

And Allegri only take defending seriously.


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DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
14,349
I have to ask

You prefer Conte work ethics to Allegri's?
FYI... I am someone who would take Conte back 10000000 times before thinking of Allegri.

And Allegri only take defending seriously.


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Man imagine what Conte could do with this roster, specifically the younger players. Hes the perfect manager for that transition. I cant think of many managers worse than Allegri for a club trying to integrate youth.

If Allegri is gonna continue with these bullshit lineups he better produce results. If not, at some point management needs to step in if they're not gonna outright fire him.
 
Apr 19, 2007
3,959
Pirlo had more points and Sarri won the league no?

Anyway I give credit when credit is due. Allegri to this day says that tactics are not important. You have to send out your best squad and let the players do their thing...
I mean that says it all. Our teams of the past only broke down defenses because someone like Pirlo or Dybala saw that pass or made that curling shot. When these elements are gone all Allegri gives to the team is ball possession and that of the impotent kind. There isn't a single triangle move or step over or anything that you can recognize as something that was clearly practiced during training. Plus there are no lateral passes at all which is basically what modern football is about.
I believe under an attacking manager Dybala for example could have lived up to his potential and not become this inconsistent mess that we got over the years.

Allegriball first of all was just a copy of Conte, but with less aggression. Both needed an exceptional defense. We no longer have that. Attacks will not just bounce off until we win a game. The end for Allegri.
Maybe we dont have that but is that his fault? we gave up a goal in 20+ games in a row. Of course he focused on the defensive side and looks like he priotitized midfield in his mercato. Give credit but to say that Max was just gettin results off conte and that Sarri is better bc he won the league is hypocritical;. We will see how it pans out this season but I expect a good year.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Man imagine what Conte could do with this roster, specifically the younger players. Hes the perfect manager for that transition. I cant think of many managers worse than Allegri for a club trying to integrate youth.

If Allegri is gonna continue with these bullshit lineups he better produce results. If not, at some point management needs to step in if they're not gonna outright fire him.
What? Tuz used to bitch all the time about how Conte didn’t use our younger players. Outside Pogba, who got his break when Marchisio got injured, not a single young player did anything of note in those theee years.

He’d be a better league manager for a this transition because he’d ship off the pathetic no-grinta turds, but he’s always been an “experience” guy too.
 

juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
16,651
What? Tuz used to bitch all the time about how Conte didn’t use our younger players. Outside Pogba, who got his break when Marchisio got injured, not a single young player did anything of note in those theee years.

He’d be a better league manager for a this transition because he’d ship off the pathetic no-grinta turds, but he’s always been an “experience” guy too.
He specifically forced Marotta not to sign tonali but Vidal in his place as he wanted experience players. I can't understand how happy will conte be if we have net spending of 2 million euros.
 
Aug 2, 2005
4,420
What? Tuz used to bitch all the time about how Conte didn’t use our younger players. Outside Pogba, who got his break when Marchisio got injured, not a single young player did anything of note in those theee years.

He’d be a better league manager for a this transition because he’d ship off the pathetic no-grinta turds, but he’s always been an “experience” guy too.
You can only use this arguement if we sold a young player and then he turned to be very good.. cant think of examples for both,, Conte or Allegri..

+ you cant actually compare a coach who never said "young players must be sent to Serie Z to gain experience" to another who sing it in every single interview



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Post Ironic

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You can only use this arguement if we sold a young player and then he turned to be very good.. cant think of examples for both,, Conte or Allegri..

+ you cant actually compare a coach who never said "young players must be sent to Serie Z to gain experience" to another who sing it in every single interview



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But I can compare the guy who has failed to get out of CL group stage in 3 of 5 attempts to the guy who has progressed 9 times out of 9… right? I wonder which is which.
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,349
What? Tuz used to bitch all the time about how Conte didn’t use our younger players. Outside Pogba, who got his break when Marchisio got injured, not a single young player did anything of note in those theee years.

He’d be a better league manager for a this transition because he’d ship off the pathetic no-grinta turds, but he’s always been an “experience” guy too.
Look what he did in Chelsea, Inter and Tottenham. Those are more recent examples. He gets the best out of young players. Juve management didn't even care about younger players when Conte was here, so its not like he had talent rotting on the bench. I cant even think of one young talent he ignored.
 

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
Being a troll when you are winning is one thing, when you are losing and not sure if in the foreseeable future that’s something it may change, you better save these kind of jokes for you own massagist, at the end you are paying for the service lol

He better focus in improve the team and not much in stupid comments like that one
Agreed. He’s getting ridiculous in his comments to the media now, used to like how media savvy he was in his first stint but he seems to have lost his mind.

This obsession he has with ‘playing beautifully doesn’t win games’ has actually turned into a belief that ‘You have to play terribly to try to win games’. He’s getting delirious in his old age
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Look what he did in Chelsea, Inter and Tottenham. Those are more recent examples. He gets the best out of young players. Juve management didn't even care about younger players when Conte was here, so its not like he had talent rotting on the bench. I cant even think of one young talent he ignored.
And? Allegri had youth like SES look world class at Milan. 21 year old Morata became our clutch CL guy under Max. 21 year old Dybala exploded under Max. He gave 16-17 year old Kean chances here. Rugani was given endless chances. Pellegrini last season too, they just sucked.

The only young talented player he failed to give a proper run was Coman, who only played 650ish minutes in 14-15. But he came here with zero top division experience and we were a half away from winning a treble that season.

I expect Miretti, Gatti, and hopefully one of Rovella/Fagioli to be given a chance to shine this year, because our youth team/purchases have finally given us some young players who look like they have very high potential. If he fails to do anything with them, than I’ll be disappointed. But right now? Nah. Miretti has played ~50 minutes in 2 matches. Hopefully that’s a sign he is going to be used regularly.
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,349
Cancelo? What? He played 2600 minutes for us that season. And that’s with missing a month in December-January with a meniscus injury or he would have played 3000 minutes.

You don’t have to make shit up, ya know.
Allegri ignored him in the most important game of the season vs Ajax in favor of De Sciglio. This after he was fundamental against Atletico. Same with Spinazzola and Sandro. He will always revert back to what he knows and will never change.
 
Aug 2, 2005
4,420
He specifically forced Marotta not to sign tonali but Vidal in his place as he wanted experience players. I can't understand how happy will conte be if we have net spending of 2 million euros.
Well.. I don't think Tonali is anything special.
Vidal was the realistic choice for Conte to win the league.

Results mattered more than Serie B from Brescia "Tonali who"

Except Conte's whinning which is annoying as fuck.. and his CL record (which is somehow arguable),, Conte is 1000 times a better manager and coach.

For example.. one of the best tacticians and managers in the history of football Lippi had rough years and record in CL as well. Would you for example keep talking on Lippi's 3 lost finals? Or some of the humilating defeats with Juve and the one year spell with Inter?

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