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Wouldn't be surprised if they still won CL. I'm starting to think even I could win a CL with Real.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with playing a high line or gegenpressing or Guardiola tiki-taka style.
You wrote about identity linked to a playing style and how great that was, but most of these dorks want us to play a style that has absolutely nothing to do with the style of how this club has played for decades. Max’s first 4-4.5 years here were very much in spirit with the style and identity of this club. We fell apart post winter-break in his last year and not surprising the club has completely fallen to shambles since trying to switch both identity and playing style. I loved our 2011-12 to 2017-18 teams. Both playing style, identity, heart, passion. Everything. Give me that back, whether with Max or some other coach. That’s what I want. I could give two shits about playing a high press 4-3-3
You wrote about identity linked to a playing style and how great that was, but most of these dorks want us to play a style that has absolutely nothing to do with the style of how this club has played for decades. Max’s first 4-4.5 years here were very much in spirit with the style and identity of this club. We fell apart post winter-break in his last year and not surprising the club has completely fallen to shambles since trying to switch both identity and playing style. I loved our 2011-12 to 2017-18 teams. Both playing style, identity, heart, passion. Everything. Give me that back, whether with Max or some other coach. That’s what I want. I could give two shits about playing a high press 4-3-3
Using Sarri and Pirlo to switch style and identity failed yes. Does not mean it's impossible.
Its not like Klopp's style of football has been the Liverpool identity (it was closer to Rafa's) or Pep's style has been City's (Mancini, Pellegrini). It's not rocket science its been done before. With the right coaching staff, and signings its doable.
Overall I agree. If we return to playing with heart and passion and winning I will take that.
Its not like Klopp's style of football has been the Liverpool identity (it was closer to Rafa's) or Pep's style has been City's (Mancini, Pellegrini). It's not rocket science its been done before. With the right coaching staff, and signings its doable.
Overall I agree. If we return to playing with heart and passion and winning I will take that.
Oh I wouldn’t mind that at all. I don’t really care what formation we play. Do I want to see something entertaining? Absolutely. But whatever gets the best out of the squad and brings back the passion and grinta we once had will make me happy.
Just one thing though, as you stated yourself we were already falling apart under Allegri playing his tactics. To me the big mistake wasn’t trying to change and adapt to the times but who we got to lead us towards that and the players we had for it.
Just one thing though, as you stated yourself we were already falling apart under Allegri playing his tactics. To me the big mistake wasn’t trying to change and adapt to the times but who we got to lead us towards that and the players we had for it.
The difference being that Man City is a club in the infancy of its success and Pool is a club that hadn’t won the league in like 30 years and hadn’t been relevant in Europe in over a decade.
We tried to change style after winning 8 straight scudetti, becoming a top European contender again, and being on the up and up in pretty much all facets pre-Ronaldo signing. Instead of rejuvenating the squad and sticking with what had brought us immense success not just in the past, but presently, we tried to go all budget galacticos with an aging squad and flip how we played. It has backfired spectacularly because of terrible coaching choices and awful signings on the transfer market. I would have been fine with moving from Allegri to another coach who plays a more balanced, pragmatic style like Zidane. Jumping to a lifelong loser who is the antithesis of everything Juve was a disaster.
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I don’t think it’s impossible or necessarily a mistake but in hindsight, definitely looks like signing Ronaldo and going for a style change was the big mistake without having the funds and the top coach available to pull it off. Zidane was probably the one coach that would have suited the team to a degree, but even then better signings and more funds would have been needed. In hindsight would have preferred after 2017-18 that we realize that was the last hurrah for an aging team, especially midfield and start working on strengthening the midfield and wide positions with strong, young players instead of going all in with Ronaldo. And if Allegri didn’t continue his success, then replace him with a suitable coach.
We tried to change style after winning 8 straight scudetti, becoming a top European contender again, and being on the up and up in pretty much all facets pre-Ronaldo signing. Instead of rejuvenating the squad and sticking with what had brought us immense success not just in the past, but presently, we tried to go all budget galacticos with an aging squad and flip how we played. It has backfired spectacularly because of terrible coaching choices and awful signings on the transfer market. I would have been fine with moving from Allegri to another coach who plays a more balanced, pragmatic style like Zidane. Jumping to a lifelong loser who is the antithesis of everything Juve was a disaster.
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I don’t think it’s impossible or necessarily a mistake but in hindsight, definitely looks like signing Ronaldo and going for a style change was the big mistake without having the funds and the top coach available to pull it off. Zidane was probably the one coach that would have suited the team to a degree, but even then better signings and more funds would have been needed. In hindsight would have preferred after 2017-18 that we realize that was the last hurrah for an aging team, especially midfield and start working on strengthening the midfield and wide positions with strong, young players instead of going all in with Ronaldo. And if Allegri didn’t continue his success, then replace him with a suitable coach.
A couple of angles;
- This could easily become something of the Ajax, Barca, Man United or even West Ham of cliches of having to play a certain way. Football evolves. So do styles of play. Do we want to be stuck in the dark ages or evolve to succeed? What is our style historic style - grinta and guts isn’t necessarily a style it’s a mentality. We were very successful playing Ale, Rav and Vialli in a very attacking front three. Yet we could also win with a very defensive 442. The issue on style is we have no discernible plan / strategy / way of laying other than get an early goal and shut the lock. (I’m sure that style was associated with a certain grass snake club and Helenio coach)
- The guts and grinta is missing anyway. This should be inspired by the leaders in the team (chiellini, bonnuci but also from our problematic midfield) but most importantly the manager. It’s not just the need to be shouting or punishing; it’s inspiring confidence and having stratagems and plans to get around problems. All of this is missing at the moment. Meanwhile our clubs and certain sections of the fan base is lambasting a certain departing South American fantasista who’s primary role is to bring their extra technical level special to the role - this is a bit like having a go at a weight lifter for not sprinting 100 in under 12 seconds….not entirely his job. The midfield and defence have more responsibility for that.
In short Allegro can do much better, regardless of the players as he has done so in the past. Unfortunately he has look like the worst of himself as he was in his final couple of seasons lf his last stint.
He needs to get pre season right, plan the season and have some strategies coached into from the start - a way of playing other than cross it to vlahovic or give it to Chiesa to run with it.
He can do this. Just needs to quite the suicidal pragmatic battery acid football that is self defeating what he is trying to achieve.
- This could easily become something of the Ajax, Barca, Man United or even West Ham of cliches of having to play a certain way. Football evolves. So do styles of play. Do we want to be stuck in the dark ages or evolve to succeed? What is our style historic style - grinta and guts isn’t necessarily a style it’s a mentality. We were very successful playing Ale, Rav and Vialli in a very attacking front three. Yet we could also win with a very defensive 442. The issue on style is we have no discernible plan / strategy / way of laying other than get an early goal and shut the lock. (I’m sure that style was associated with a certain grass snake club and Helenio coach)
- The guts and grinta is missing anyway. This should be inspired by the leaders in the team (chiellini, bonnuci but also from our problematic midfield) but most importantly the manager. It’s not just the need to be shouting or punishing; it’s inspiring confidence and having stratagems and plans to get around problems. All of this is missing at the moment. Meanwhile our clubs and certain sections of the fan base is lambasting a certain departing South American fantasista who’s primary role is to bring their extra technical level special to the role - this is a bit like having a go at a weight lifter for not sprinting 100 in under 12 seconds….not entirely his job. The midfield and defence have more responsibility for that.
In short Allegro can do much better, regardless of the players as he has done so in the past. Unfortunately he has look like the worst of himself as he was in his final couple of seasons lf his last stint.
He needs to get pre season right, plan the season and have some strategies coached into from the start - a way of playing other than cross it to vlahovic or give it to Chiesa to run with it.
He can do this. Just needs to quite the suicidal pragmatic battery acid football that is self defeating what he is trying to achieve.