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[Post Ironic]

It won't make a difference when Allegri asks him to go and pick up the ball 30 metres away from goal. That's why Klopp and Tuchel are a level above Max.

Pls. That’s on Dybala. He did that under Max, under Sarri, under Pirlo. That’s literally his game, dropping deep to pick up the ball, start out attacks and then trailing just behind our attack to hopefully get the ball passed back to him on his left foot around the edge of the penalty area. Even at Palermo he dropped deep constantly.

This isn’t a judgment of whether that is effective or not, sometimes it is very effective, sometimes it’s terrible. A lot of it depends on the quality of his teammates because it requires them to be effective at opening up space for Dybala to slip into and then finding him with a pass in that space. But Dybala’s style of play is on him, not the coaches, and he plays nothing like a Salah and never could.

 

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[campionesidd]

It won't make a difference when Allegri asks him to go and pick up the ball 30 metres away from goal. That's why Klopp and Tuchel are a level above Max.

Chelsea fans call their style of play ‘Tucheliban’. I don’t know if you’ve seen them play, they’re just as boring as us.

 

[.zero]

Idc what kind of football we play as long as we win CL

 

[campionesidd]

Idc what kind of football we play as long as we win CL

conference league, maybe.

 

[Dino_mk]

Flawless logic.

It's not my logic. I simply ask if I have understood it correctly.
Read back few pages, Allegri fanboys are claiming the blame lies only on the players and some of them are untrainable, hmm where have I heard this before.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

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After 26 games of Serie A, Pirlo had 55 points, 8 more than Allegri, had scored 16 more goals and had conceded 1 less. Max maintains the longest unbeaten streak (12 games).

 

[Bianconero81]

Pls. That’s on Dybala. He did that under Max, under Sarri, under Pirlo. That’s literally his game, dropping deep to pick up the ball, start out attacks and then trailing just behind our attack to hopefully get the ball passed back to him on his left foot around the edge of the penalty area. Even at Palermo he dropped deep constantly.

This isn’t a judgment of whether that is effective or not, sometimes it is very effective, sometimes it’s terrible. A lot of it depends on the quality of his teammates because it requires them to be effective at opening up space for Dybala to slip into and then finding him with a pass in that space. But Dybala’s style of play is on him, not the coaches, and he plays nothing like a Salah and never could.

Fine. I will give you that, seeing as my comment was more tongue in cheek, and I wasn't really suggesting Allegri is asking him to do that. I understand he needs to drop deep because none of our mids, bar Locatelli, can bring the ball forward, or even if they could, they suck at passing (McNuggets).

However, what about his insistence on playing Fagiot and Sandro? What about the reactionary approach to games? We are never proactive, and we hardly ever press. Have you seen any development or evolution in the way he coaches? I haven't. Football has changed over the past 5+ years.

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Idc what kind of football we play as long as we win CL

We won't the CL. We probably won't even get past Villareal, if we continue to start Fagiot and Sandro.

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Chelsea fans call their style of play ‘Tucheliban’. I don’t know if you’ve seen them play, they’re just as boring as us.

They are boring as fuck. I agree. They are also the current European and World Champions, and they gave us a shellacking in the CL this season.

 

[Nenz]

It's hard to think about exactly what kind of midfielder is needed to be honest. Obviously he must replace Rabiot, he must be able to hold the ball, dribble, pass and shoot well. Rabiot tackles and runs in a straight line fairly quickly. That's about all. A lot of hype about his technique. I really don't see any examples of excellent technique on his part.

I thought Locatelli would solve things as a regista. Then it looked like purposeful movement was the missing element - Zakaria looks like he can provide that. But even if Zakaria is relatively successful, I can't see him joining the midfielder to the damned forwards.

I'd like to see Arthur play as Mezz'ala. That is one of Allegri's stupid nostrums (there are a few others that are probably to blame) - he would prefer to play these less defensive minded mids central and deep. Exact same situation as Pjanic except of course Pjanic played with a better midfield and it worked out, but I think Pjanic would have been even better for us as a mezz'ala. Even in the diamond around 2012/13, Vidal played in the hole. That was Allegri's intention for McKennie early this season. Why not Arthur? Didn't Isco tear us up in 2017 playing as an advanced mid? Isn't it just common sense?

We probably did need a new manager but we chose really poorly, not that it's ever easy. Allegri just has too many silly ideas that impose limits us. He had historical success because he imposed his ideas on a squad that was suited to them, and he was pretty flexible throughout his time. But as well as the above example, he has always insisted that a team can't press or hold the ball for long periods of the game. It's his plan to sit back and not hold the ball for intermittent periods of games. He doesn't say expressly that it's to conserve energy (which wouldn't make sense) but he does say that there are inevitable "moments" in games, meaning momentum swings. So, simply give in and allow for the apparent inevitable. It's a fatalistic, absurd idea that gives the other side a look in and doesn't grasp the fact that momentum shifts in favour of the opposition are neither inevitable nor desirable.

 

[Elvin]

conference league, maybe.

Just realized dumbass UEFA made their 3rd competition have the same abbreviation as the CL.

 

[campionesidd]

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After 26 games of Serie A, Pirlo had 55 points, 8 more than Allegri, had scored 16 more goals and had conceded 1 less. Max maintains the longest unbeaten streak (12 games).

Are you calling him an all powerful wizard? Even the throaters don’t go that far.

 

[Post Ironic]

Fine. I will give you that, seeing as my comment was more tongue in cheek, and I wasn't really suggesting Allegri is asking him to do that. I understand he needs to drop deep because none of our mids, bar Locatelli, can bring the ball forward, or even if they could, they suck at passing (McNuggets).

However, what about his insistence on playing Fagiot and Sandro? What about the reactionary approach to games? We are never proactive, and we hardly ever press. Have you seen any development or evolution in the way he coaches? I haven't. Football has changed over the past 5+ years.

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We won't the CL. We probably won't even get past Villareal, if we continue to start Fagiot and Sandro.

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They are boring as fuck. I agree. They are also the current European and World Champions, and they gave us a shellacking in the CL this season.

Sandro was on the bench for multiple games when MdS was available… problem is he’s not often available and Pellegrini is as bad if not worse than Sandro. You think there isn’t a problem with the position when our best player for it is an injury prone player you call “De Shitio”. Maybe we should sign a proper LB before you bitch about Sandro playing.

Rabiot I’d like to see him drop, but it’s not like Arturd or Mckennie are much better options. One can’t play more than 45 minutes without looking dead on his feet and the other runs around like a madman but can’t pass to save his life.

We shall see how we look for the remainder of the season. I expect our attack to improve, 4th place or better, and getting past Villarreal. Those are my expectations. So I’m going to wait and see. He’s fixed the defence (aside from it being old and injury prone, we literally have 1 CB available right now lol), we’re on pace to allow 33 goals in the league after 43 and 38 the last two years, and now that we have Vlahovic it’s time to fix the attack.

 

[campionesidd]

Sandro was on the bench for multiple games when MdS was available… problem is he’s not often available and Pellegrini is as bad if not worse than Sandro. You think there isn’t a problem with the position when our best player for it is an injury prone player you call “De Shitio”. Maybe we should sign a proper LB before you bitch about Sandro playing.

Rabiot I’d like to see him drop, but it’s not like Arturd or Mckennie are much better options. One can’t play more than 45 minutes without looking dead on his feet and the other runs around like a madman but can’t pass to save his life.

We shall see how we look for the remainder of the season. I expect our attack to improve, 4th place or better, and getting past Villarreal. Those are my expectations. So I’m going to wait and see. He’s fixed the defence (aside from it being old and injury prone, we literally have 1 CB available right now lol), we’re on pace to allow 33 goals in the league after 43 and 38 the last two years, and now that we have Vlahovic it’s time to fix the attack.

I know you won't like this, but Pogba will elevate our midfield.

 

[Lion]

i'm willing to give him another chance. but club needs to sign him bernando silva, bremer and sadio mane

 

[Post Ironic]

It's hard to think about exactly what kind of midfielder is needed to be honest. Obviously he must replace Rabiot, he must be able to hold the ball, dribble, pass and shoot well. Rabiot tackles and runs in a straight line fairly quickly. That's about all. A lot of hype about his technique. I really don't see any examples of excellent technique on his part.

I thought Locatelli would solve things as a regista. Then it looked like purposeful movement was the missing element - Zakaria looks like he can provide that. But even if Zakaria is relatively successful, I can't see him joining the midfielder to the damned forwards.

I'd like to see Arthur play as Mezz'ala. That is one of Allegri's stupid nostrums (there are a few others that are probably to blame) - he would prefer to play these less defensive minded mids central and deep. Exact same situation as Pjanic except of course Pjanic played with a better midfield and it worked out, but I think Pjanic would have been even better for us as a mezz'ala. Even in the diamond around 2012/13, Vidal played in the hole. That was Allegri's intention for McKennie early this season. Why not Arthur? Didn't Isco tear us up in 2017 playing as an advanced mid? Isn't it just common sense?

We probably did need a new manager but we chose really poorly, not that it's ever easy. Allegri just has too many silly ideas that impose limits us. He had historical success because he imposed his ideas on a squad that was suited to them, and he was pretty flexible throughout his time. But as well as the above example, he has always insisted that a team can't press or hold the ball for long periods of the game. It's his plan to sit back and not hold the ball for intermittent periods of games. He doesn't say expressly that it's to conserve energy (which wouldn't make sense) but he does say that there are inevitable "moments" in games, meaning momentum swings. So, simply give in and allow for the apparent inevitable. It's a fatalistic, absurd idea that gives the other side a look in and doesn't grasp the fact that momentum shifts in favour of the opposition are neither inevitable nor desirable.

Arthur has never played as an attacking mid anywhere because he never passes the ball forward. He’s a game manager, pace and flow, but without the long ball ability and progressive passing of a Pirlo or Marchisio. He keeps the ball well and makes neat tidy short passes sideways and back mostly. Not sure what you see in him that screams attacking mid. Pjanic actually played that position at Roma. Isco actually played as an AM for much of his career. Arthur never has.

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I know you won't like this, but Pogba will elevate our midfield.

I’m sure he would for the ~20 matches he is healthy for a season. Dudes missed 67 matches to injury the past 3 seasons. He’s also lazy and inconsistent. SMS instead please.

But sure, even I admit he’d be a vast improvement on anyone but Locatelli in our midfield. Lol

 

[Lion]

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[Bianconero81]

Sandro was on the bench for multiple games when MdS was available… problem is he’s not often available and Pellegrini is as bad if not worse than Sandro. You think there isn’t a problem with the position when our best player for it is an injury prone player you call “De Shitio”. Maybe we should sign a proper LB before you bitch about Sandro playing.

Rabiot I’d like to see him drop, but it’s not like Arturd or Mckennie are much better options. One can’t play more than 45 minutes without looking dead on his feet and the other runs around like a madman but can’t pass to save his life.

We shall see how we look for the remainder of the season. I expect our attack to improve, 4th place or better, and getting past Villarreal. Those are my expectations. So I’m going to wait and see. He’s fixed the defence (aside from it being old and injury prone, we literally have 1 CB available right now lol), we’re on pace to allow 33 goals in the league after 43 and 38 the last two years, and now that we have Vlahovic it’s time to fix the attack.

Stay true to your Allegri throating roots Bro. I am proud of you

Allegri is your Dybala

You do make some valid points, but what about our performances? What about our approach to games?

I also expect top 4 and at least QF in the CL (anything beyond that depends on the draw).

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Midfield is still meh.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Are you calling him an all powerful wizard? Even the throaters don’t go that far.

Madman that lost his mind

 

[Kian]

it’s fine to criticize Allegri for his mediocre performance this season. Completely revising his first stint here to fit your agenda is not.
Two points: we played some brilliant football in his first stint, especially in the CL. The 2017-18 season was our highest scoring season in 60 years. Oh, and the runners-up that year, Napoli, missed out on the title despite scoring 91 points, which is a Serie A record, so your claim about weak opponents is completely false.

To your point about Napoli.. that Napoli side got bounced out of CL in the group phase with 6 pathetic points that year. Shakhtar Donezk qualified ahead of them. So the European comparison doesn’t say Napoli was great. Maybe they got 91 points because the rest of Serie A was even worse?! Talk about Allegri and his accomplishments all you want, but don’t tell me Serie A was anywhere close to being a good league during these years.

 

[Gigiventus]

Thats why Im hoping we sell Dybala whos neither here nor there in literally any potential formation, settle on whether we play 433 or 4231 or whatever and proceed to equip the team accordingly. No more dumbass hybrids.

That would be the silver lining in losing Dybala for me, getting to move to more practical systems. It would still be a shame though, he is our best player and has been here for a long time.

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If I understand correctly some of the Allegri apologies here:
You could give Allegri the players like Mandragora, Lukic, Vojvoda, Singo, Pobega and hi would make them run riots over our players managed by someone like Juric.
When in a thousand years will this happen?

I don't think we have to look for a thousand years. Are we not talking about the same Allegri that won coach of the year with a particularly poor Cagliari? much poorer than the current Torino. I wonder how you rate Acquafresca, Cossu, Agostini...

Lets look back at some his results that season

Cagliari 2-1 Inter
Inter 1-1 Cagliari

That's 4 points against the champions

Juve 2-3 Cagliari
Cagliari 2-0 Napoli
Napoli 2-2 Napoli
Cagliari 0-0 Milan

Its easy to forget Max has a past, and that past includes lower league titles with Sassuolo, awards with Cagliari, 6 scudetti and 3 supercups with 2 clubs, 4 coppa italia, etc.

 

[kappa96]

If merda comes into our stadium and we play some minow role against them, defending that 0 - 0 with our whole lives I'm going to lose it and join the Allegri out brigade. (I'm expecting us to do just that, like when he tried that 0 - 0 against crapoli and lost 1 - 0)
Juve should always be proactive in its own stadium and a team like Torino doesn't have any business in getting a result here.
We play like minnows most of the matches ffs.