Massimiliano Allegri (208 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Funny how people thought we stand a chance for Scudetto.

 

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[Dino_mk]

........ because we don't have pacey wingers.

We have but Allegri is too stubborn to use him.
Ake would have been great in last 10 minutes when toro players were tired.

 

[Bjerknes]

The only stability I see is that he adjusted the defending line deeper and congested it with another line of 4 in midfield in a narrow space of 5 meters in between. Of course, this setup is much more difficult to score against, but is it a suitable approch for a team that is chasing long-term glory and challenge for all competitions? I guess time will tell for Allegri.

You're right, but of course you already know the answer - it's not. It would be one thing if we were deadly on the counterattack, being able to transition up the pitch quickly as a team, but we can't do that. And even if we do get the lead under Allegri, we're always going to fall back to protect it, which might work, or it might not. These are just antiquated tactics, but they're simple tactics to deploy because it's much easier throwing 10 players behind the ball than to actually create some sort of pressing or passing game that is consistent through much of a match.

 

[Post Ironic]

Funny how people thought we stand a chance for Scudetto.

turk of all people

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Look at Bayern - they have changed several coaches in the past 10 years and still are going to win 10 titles in a row.
I am pretty sure Allegri had the best team in Italy by far and one of the best in Europe. With worse team, like the current Juve, Allegri looks hopeless.

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Are you saying Bayern hasn’t had the best team in their league by a massive margin every season during that 10 year period?

We don’t have the best team in this league anymore. Not even close last year and this year. Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles, average 90+ pts during his tenure here when he had the best team in Italy, and took us to 2 CL finals as underdogs. While the jury is still out on this new era of his, 6 months in, he was very obviously a smashing success in his previous 5 year period regardless of what some Tuz twits want to bitch about.

 

[Bjerknes]

turk of all people

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Are you saying Bayern hasn’t had the best team in their league by a massive margin every season during that 10 year period?

We don’t have the best team in this league anymore. Not even close last year and this year. Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles, average 90+ pts during his tenure here when he had the best team in Italy, and took us to 2 CL finals as underdogs. While the jury is still out on this new era of his, 6 months in, he was very obviously a smashing success in his previous 5 year period regardless of what some Tuz twits want to bitch about.

Is there some sort of new Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles bot that mentions Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles every time you mention Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles?

Edit: Shit, I guess there is.

 

[Tactical Potato]

You're right, but of course you already know the answer - it's not. It would be one thing if we were deadly on the counterattack, being able to transition up the pitch quickly as a team, but we can't do that. And even if we do get the lead under Allegri, we're always going to fall back to protect it, which might work, or it might not. These are just antiquated tactics, but they're simple tactics to deploy because it's much easier throwing 10 players behind the ball than to actually create some sort of pressing or passing game that is consistent through much of a match.

I think he realized the weak points of Sarri and Pirlo - too many goals conceded when we pressed high.

Bonucci and Chielini are a breed of defenders that are perfect for a balanced setup and defending deep. When Pirlo and Sarri tried playing a high press we conceded bunch of goals on the counter because they are slow and never used to press high. They are masters of defending deep and commanding the movement of the midfield line in front of them. Therefore, Allegri barely opts for a press and he only does it on a few instances in a single game where the attackers primarily do the pressing the defenders and the GK.

DeLigt on the other hand doesn't struggle with high pressing because he comes from a different school of play - positional defense. I'm afraid DeLigt would need a brand new partner in defense in order to see a 'modern' Juve that would be much more aggressive.

 

[Post Ironic]

Is there some sort of new Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles bot that mentions Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles every time you mention Allegri won 5 straight scudetti, 4 straight domestic doubles?

Edit: Shit, I guess there is.

Nah, just when some twit is suggesting Max was always shit and never a good coach.

 

[Mokku]

@pavelnel

Bayern management has kept them the best team in Germany by a long way with their consistent and firm policies, whereas our management has allowed us to become much weaker with numerous wild and baffling decisions. The fact that Bayern are successful domestically and in Europe even when changing managers shows that their hierarchy actually knows what they're doing, we're not like that.

 

[JuveE46]

As much as I’d like to blame the back line they actually did pretty well. The problem was everything after that. The midfield is so uninventive and our best midfielder is deployed as the deepest lying one. Locatelli should be playing more advanced, it’s so frustrating.

Biggest problem though is the mentality. Even against feeble opposition we play like the underdog, in Allegri’s first stint we only used to do that against the top 4. Now we play like it against the whole league

Man this midfield is not one to be played with 3 players. Beside the fact that they haven't played together, you got one headless chicken DM specializing in nothing in fagiot, you got a new player barely getting used to shit, then you got Loca who has to somehow make shit happen by himself it won't work. At least crowd up the midfield if you are going to play like this then start at 442..idk man this guy makes no sense at times..

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Promote Landucci already

 

[MrMonkey]

Unacceptable draw and at worst could be down 3 to ATA will 12 matches left. Max is the manager and he's the one who will take the heat if no CL qualification. If one or the other I would take 4th place over beating VILL in CL action. Not much chance to advance this season but without CL qualification zero chance of anything next season.

 

[MikeM]

The only stability I see is that he adjusted the defending line deeper and congested it with another line of 4 in midfield in a narrow space of 5 meters in between. Of course, this setup is much more difficult to score against, but is it a suitable approch for a team that is chasing long-term glory and challenge for all competitions? I guess time will tell for Allegri.

Nothing new in the build-up play, no creativity from the midfield, lots of balls lost when we reach the opponents half.

All I see is pass horizontaly until we get to the final third, get McKennie in the box along the striker and let Cuadrado cross. If the ball rebounds, pass the ball to Dybala to shoot.

Other than that, we also counter a lot but that doesn't really work because we don't have pacey wingers.

I actually feel the 7-0-3 or 4-3-3 defends better than the 4-4-2 because we just put 3 CMs directly on top of the CBs instead of only 2. Because let's be honest, the outside mids in the 4-4-2 will never touch the ball. They are outnumbered sometimes 3 to 1, just chasing the ball like idiots.

 

[Lion]

what an awful coach. you just never feel there is a chance of winning a game with him in charge. zero charisma or tactical planning

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Gameplan by Allegri - long balls to Vlahovic and insha'Allah it will work

 

[duranfj]

Worst game since he came back by far... this draw is more on his hand, he did everything wrong, everything

 

[Robee]

I see the kneejerk reactions are at full swing after last night.

 

[Strickland]

I actually feel the 7-0-3 or 4-3-3 defends better than the 4-4-2 because we just put 3 CMs directly on top of the CBs instead of only 2. Because let's be honest, the outside mids in the 4-4-2 will never touch the ball. They are outnumbered sometimes 3 to 1, just chasing the ball like idiots.

If we're content to start defending only when the opponent crosses the halfway line, I agree. However if we intend to put any kind of pressure on opponent, 433 with 3 strikers is shit

 

[Amer]

With Sarri we would have won Europa League by now, lul.

 

[juve123]

I see the kneejerk reactions are at full swing after last night.

What more could you expect on tuz? Zidane is available but will want a big transfer budget Conte and Pochettino could leave in the summer.

 

[Vlad]

Starting Sandro at CB told me everything I needed to know about this fraud's approach to this game

Just waiting for @juve123 and @Vlad to come along and justify getting out-possessed once again in our own grounds

Idc for possession, u nincompoop . I care that we looked like dog shit last night. U can concede possession but stil control the game, which we didnt. Admittedly losing a CB and using Alex Sandro at that spot didnt help us, but in no way it can be used as an excuse for the last night's shit show, passing all over the place, players looking rattled. After few months of steadily improving, we looked like we are back in September form. Hopefully it is just one night off, with the CL encounter looming over players heads and we get back on track in the remaining weeks.