Massimiliano Allegri (253 Viewers)

[juve123]

We joke about it, but honestly, that guy deserved another a chance. Fresh ideas sometimes take time to implement, especially when someone like Allegri brainwashed the side to struggle for a 1-0 every match for years.

You are speaking about the manager who is also the only coach in Italian football history to have won five Scudetti and four Coppa Italia titles consecutively, and the only one in Europe's top five leagues to have won a domestic double for four consecutive seasons.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Are we really starting to forget how much of a mess we were under Pirlo?

I guess what they say about football fans being fickle is correct. I can see people arguing for something different but my word, Pirlo? seriously?

If that was a mess, lord knows what we are seeing now and that's having had the full backing of the management in the market too!

 

[Bjerknes]

You are speaking about the manager who is also the only coach in Italian football history to have won five Scudetti and four Coppa Italia titles consecutively, and the only one in Europe's top five leagues to have won a domestic double for four consecutive seasons.

I sure am. Because past success is not always an indicator of future performance. Obviously.

 

[campionesidd]

You are speaking about the manager who is also the only coach in Italian football history to have won five Scudetti and four Coppa Italia titles consecutively, and the only one in Europe's top five leagues to have won a domestic double for four consecutive seasons.

Yes, but he is beginning to look more and more like Diego Simeone, who is getting worse every year with Atletico.

 

[Mike-e-y]

I don't know whether the makeshift backline was responsible or lack of wingers we completely were just pushed back in our own half trying to get back the possession back.

As much as I’d like to blame the back line they actually did pretty well. The problem was everything after that. The midfield is so uninventive and our best midfielder is deployed as the deepest lying one. Locatelli should be playing more advanced, it’s so frustrating.

Biggest problem though is the mentality. Even against feeble opposition we play like the underdog, in Allegri’s first stint we only used to do that against the top 4. Now we play like it against the whole league

 

[juve123]

Are we really starting to forget how much of a mess we were under Pirlo?

I guess what they say about football fans being fickle is correct. I can see people arguing for something different but my word, Pirlo? seriously?

Even pep Guardiola needed one season to get his act together for man city inspite of his transfer spending.I think @Jager and @singus are just conte and Mourinho fans who are waiting for the team to fail so that Allegri gets sacked.

 

[pavelnel]

You are speaking about the manager who is also the only coach in Italian football history to have won five Scudetti and four Coppa Italia titles consecutively, and the only one in Europe's top five leagues to have won a domestic double for four consecutive seasons.

Look at Bayern - they have changed several coaches in the past 10 years and still are going to win 10 titles in a row.
I am pretty sure Allegri had the best team in Italy by far and one of the best in Europe. With worse team, like the current Juve, Allegri looks hopeless.

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[juve123]

Yes, but he is beginning to look more and more like Diego Simeone, who is getting worse every year with Atletico.

I know it is difficult to have patience as fans. Maybe if we don't see improvement next season then I might agree.

 

[Boksic]

If that was a mess, lord knows what we are seeing now and that's having had the full backing of the management in the market too!

Come on man, full backing? We signed an extremely promising striker after losing a proven top striker in Ronaldo in the summer. We signed Zakaria who is also unproven. Let's not pretend the squad is suddenly not unbalanced. Or are you wanting to give Cherubini credit for fixing the squad in two windows? Did he build a better squad for Max than Paratici for Pirlo?

We have also lost arguably our best player in Chiesa.

We are in a far better place as a team than last season. We are much more solid and if you look at the form table been on a good run after a difficult run of games. These are things you build on, not bizarre formations and gaping wholes right down the middle of your team. I completely agree it has not been good enough and could understand people wanting to discuss other coaches but that Pirlo team was genuinely the most disorganised team I have seen in my time supporting Juve and I remember Ferrara/Del Neri.

This season is a rebuild and should be seen as that with a target of making a challenge next season.

 

[Jäger]

Are we really starting to forget how much of a mess we were under Pirlo?

I guess what they say about football fans being fickle is correct. I can see people arguing for something different but my word, Pirlo? seriously?

Conte over Sarri in 2019. That was the opportunity we didnt take, and now we pay the price caused by 3 seasons of mediocrity and terrible coaching.

But I for the life of me cannot understand what Allegri has brought to the table that is so much better than either Sarri or Pirlo. Stability? Nope. Creativity? Nope. Gameplan? Nope. The players look just as clueless as they did with their predecessors. What did Sarri and Pirlo do to warrant such abuse from the same ppl who fawn over Allegri even in failure?

Bringing this guy back was the wrong decision and yet despite this being so obvious some are still in denial about it.

 

[Gagi]

Speaking to DAZN after the draw against Torino, Allegri first reacted to the result and how the single point feels.

“It matters, because with the point we followed up on the positive results we’ve had in the last two to three months. it wasn’t easy, we weren’t brilliant compared to Torino, but we played a good game.

“Paradoxically, we conceded a goal in our best moment. In the first half we had two or three situations where we could have scored, but not in the second half.

“Then we weren’t very clean in the second half, but I think it’s a normal path, it’s natural when you’re playing in the league, especially when you’re aiming to be in the top four, so a draw isn’t to be thrown away.

“I’d say that the guys played a good game in terms of commitment and intensity, they tried to win until the end, so it’s a point that we take home and allows us to extend the positive streak.”

He discussed the injuries to Paulo Dybala, Daniele Rugani and Luca Pellegrini, and if he’s worried.

“I’m not worried at all also because during the season there are injuries and those we have and who are fit and enlisted, will play on Tuesday against Villarreal and then we will prepare for Empoli.”

The Italian coach analysed the performance of star striker Dusan Vlahovic, who failed to have a strong impact in the match.

“He struggled because he’s a very good player, but he has to learn a lot. As many players have to learn. Tonight he had to drag Bremer around the pitch and not give him any points of reference, because he is very strong on direct balls and less strong when you drag him around the pitch.

“Let’s not forget that he comes from a team that is having a very good season but he played one game a week. He’s played six, so I think it’s normal for him to grow. It amuses me because someone comes in and has to play every game.

“You have to grow, you have to get used to it, all the things you need in a great team, otherwise physically you can’t manage to play a game every three days.”

He touched on the performance of his midfielders.

“The three strikers were well marked but you have to move more, Rabiot’s situation you have to do a lot more. I asked Vlahovic to go to Rodriguez’s side, these are situations of the game that you have to learn.

“We were good in the previous games and less good today also because we were less brilliant having less technical cleanliness.”

Allegri spoke about the performance of his attacking trident.

“Dybala shouldn’t have anything in particular. We need to play technically cleaner, when we were we had dangerous situations. In the second half we had to be cleaner in the opponent’s area, we were more fumbling but the important thing is to get to the final goal.”

Finally, Allegri discussed the race for the final top four spot.

“There’s Lazio who are back and then it depends on what Fiorentina do in their next games. Roma are further back but there are still 12 games to go, let’s see now at Villarreal and then what we do in Empoli.”

Juventus’ next match is against La Liga side Villarreal next week on Tuesday, before they face Empoli next weekend.

 

[campionesidd]

Come on man, full backing? We signed an extremely promising striker after losing a proven top striker in Ronaldo in the summer. We signed Zakaria who is also unproven. Let's not pretend the squad is suddenly not unbalanced. Or are you wanting to give Cherubini credit for fixing the squad in two windows? Did he build a better squad for Max than Paratici for Pirlo?

We have also lost arguably our best player in Chiesa.

We are in a far better place as a team than last season. We are much more solid and if you look at the form table been on a good run after a difficult run of games. These are things you build on, not bizarre formations and gaping wholes right down the middle of your team. I completely agree it has not been good enough and could understand people wanting to discuss other coaches but that Pirlo team was genuinely the most disorganised team I have seen in my time supporting Juve and I remember Ferrara/Del Neri.

This season is a rebuild and should be seen as that with a target of making a challenge next season.

I get at all that, and looking at my post history, you can see that I have defended Allegri all season.
Today was different. We were clueless. We had no idea how to keep the ball for three passes, let alone move forward with it or create chances. Torino were in complete control of the game. We only really tried something after they scored the equalizer. And our substitutions were god awful, unforgivable even.
I get that we are a work in progress, but we should never get dominated so badly by Torino, who are very well managed, but only have one really good player in Bremer.

 

[juve123]

Look at Bayern - they have changed several coaches in the past 10 years and still are going to win 10 titles in a row.
I am pretty sure Allegri had the best team in Italy by far and one of the best in Europe. With worse team, like the current Juve, Allegri looks hopeless.

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Bayern Munich will never hire a rookie coach like Pirlo like Agnelli did. The Bayern Munich management is an example of where we should aim for.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Come on man, full backing? We signed an extremely promising striker after losing a proven top striker in Ronaldo in the summer. We signed Zakaria who is also unproven. Let's not pretend the squad is suddenly not unbalanced. Or are you wanting to give Cherubini credit for fixing the squad in two windows? Did he build a better squad for Max than Paratici for Pirlo?

We have also lost arguably our best player in Chiesa.

We are in a far better place as a team than last season. We are much more solid and if you look at the form table been on a good run after a difficult run of games. These are things you build on, not bizarre formations and gaping wholes right down the middle of your team. I completely agree it has not been good enough and could understand people wanting to discuss other coaches but that Pirlo team was genuinely the most disorganised team I have seen in my time supporting Juve and I remember Ferrara/Del Neri.

This season is a rebuild and should be seen as that with a target of making a challenge next season.

Of course he had full backing, Allegri didn't even want Ronaldo, and in return we signed Vlahovic in January, Zakaria is clearly someone Allegri rates, proven or not Allegri has been given pretty much what he has wanted so far, he can't complain one bit to say the least.

Losing Chiesa was a blow yes but even looking at this season he has been less effective than he was under Pirlo, that in itself speaks volumes.

 

[Boksic]

I get at all that, and looking at my post history, you can see that I have defended Allegri all season.
Today was different. We were clueless. We had no idea how to keep the ball for three passes, let alone move forward with it or create chances. Torino were in complete control of the game. We only really tried something after they scored the equalizer. And our substitutions were god awful, unforgivable even.
I get that we are a work in progress, but we should never get dominated so badly by Torino, who are very well managed, but only have one really good player in Bremer.

You seem to be talking about something completely different than I am. I was not discussing today's match but responding to a point about Pirlo, which smacks of selective memory loss to forget just how much of a mess we were.

Tonight was absolutely not good enough and I think it is fair for people to criticise Allegri.

 

[Tactical Potato]

The only stability I see is that he adjusted the defending line deeper and congested it with another line of 4 in midfield in a narrow space of 5 meters in between. Of course, this setup is much more difficult to score against, but is it a suitable approch for a team that is chasing long-term glory and challenge for all competitions? I guess time will tell for Allegri.

Nothing new in the build-up play, no creativity from the midfield, lots of balls lost when we reach the opponents half.

All I see is pass horizontaly until we get to the final third, get McKennie in the box along the striker and let Cuadrado cross. If the ball rebounds, pass the ball to Dybala to shoot.

Other than that, we also counter a lot but that doesn't really work because we don't have pacey wingers.

 

[Ventus]

Of course he had full backing, Allegri didn't even want Ronaldo, and in return we signed Vlahovic in January, Zakaria is clearly someone Allegri rates, proven or not Allegri has been given pretty much what he has wanted so far, he can't complain one bit to say the least.

Losing Chiesa was a blow yes but even looking at this season he has been less effective than he was under Pirlo, that in itself speaks volumes.

Big Allegri fan but I cannot disagree with this.

 

[Jäger]

“It matters, because with the point we followed up on the positive results we’ve had in the last two to three months. it wasn’t easy, we weren’t brilliant compared to Torino, but we played a good game.

“Then we weren’t very clean in the second half, but I think it’s a normal path, it’s natural when you’re playing in the league, especially when you’re aiming to be in the top four, so a draw isn’t to be thrown away.

“I’d say that the guys played a good game in terms of commitment and intensity, they tried to win until the end, so it’s a point that we take home and allows us to extend the positive streak.”
weekend.

This just reaffirms what we already knew: that he was playing for the draw and was content with the result.

 

[juve123]

You seem to be talking about something completely different than I am. I was not discussing today's match but responding to a point about Pirlo, which smacks of selective memory loss to forget just how much of a mess we were.

Tonight was absolutely not good enough and I think it is fair for people to criticise Allegri.

And again it will take need another couple of transfer window to get rid of some Deadwood and mess created by paratici.

 

[Boksic]

Of course he had full backing, Allegri didn't even want Ronaldo, and in return we signed Vlahovic in January, Zakaria is clearly someone Allegri rates, proven or not Allegri has been given pretty much what he has wanted so far, he can't complain one bit to say the least.

Losing Chiesa was a blow yes but even looking at this season he has been less effective than he was under Pirlo, that in itself speaks volumes.

He got a promising striker but lost a proven one, whether he wanted him or not you can't just pretend that suddenly we are stronger up front than last season. Vlahovic is an excellent signing but still has to prove himself at a top team.

Chiesa was less effective than under Pirlo but there can be numerous factors behind that, not everything is black and white. Chiesa played an entire summer at the Euros, got an injury at the end of it, has struggled for fitness all season and played in a team that is tactically more secure/less attacking. I don't think it is that surprising that his numbers aren't as good.