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JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
I don't think that's on Allegri but more something that describes Serie A and it's downfall. I think you can see such thing with pretty much all of our coaches, but not just us, it's all teams in Italy. Once teams are ahead, majority sits back. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is common for all of them: they/we all start playing like shit and like nobody cares. You don't see that in England. I'm not saying their football/league is better, but they don't do that, they don't give up and sit back.
I think it is more indoctrinated in our club rather than Serie A in general.
 

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MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,286
I still don't understand the swap of a CM for a CB. At the time of the sub we were playing too low, surely putting another CB makes you play even lower?
And unfortunately for some reason everyone but Bono was high during Tek's 2nd screwup. Too much experience with those 5 in the back to put any blame on Max.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Why the xhiello sub tho? We needed help en midfield, it was early in the second half and he opted for chiello. Why?

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I noticed that too, we were doing one stupid decision after the other. Some here are saying that it was all on Woj that we lost our morale but we stopped playing quite some time before that penalty.
This is the w truth. He needs to react to this asap because after our 2nd goal we threw the game to udinese
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
And unfortunately for some reason everyone but Bono was high during Tek's 2nd screwup. Too much experience with those 5 in the back to put any blame on Max.
It's all about inability to move the game higher when we have the ball and don't allow Udinese to get out so easily out of their half if they have it. I mean, they're not Barca ffs, they're bunch of butchers who lost their play maker and replaced him with nobody.
Move the game higher and suddenly Okaka and Deulofeu would be in our CBs pockets, good luck picking up long balls with your back to the goal vs our CBs.

Here's hoping that Rabiot and Locatelli really step it up, also McKennie. Bentancur was decent in comparison to what he had shown last season.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
I trust he will get things right eventually, he might've underestimated a bit how shaky Tek is lately when talking about clean sheets aswell as how prone we still are to counters when teams high-press us but all in all it was just the first game of the season and nobody and anything could have prevented the goalkeeping blunders that lost us the points yesterday, point is that overall we still looked more motivated and with a more direct type of football which suits most of this group of players much better than the "tiki-caca" attempted by Sarri or Pirlo, clearly still lots left to improve on but again ,it was just the first game of the season and a lot of thinkering from Allegri was always to be expected given the multiple question marks present in this squad, nobody can turn a running crap into a flying butterfly after only a few weeks of training, and yet still even so if not for the totally avoidable GK mistakes and a couple misses that would've been a goal any other day we would have still won it easily, nevermind the blatant goal disallowed after a milimeter flagged offside.

Some of y'all need to relax a bit, nothing is over now that we only got a draw just as nothing major would have been achieved if we had won yesterday, obviously would've better to win and to avoid losing easy points that way but if it's a moment in the season that this would be somewhat understandable it would probably be in the first few games of the season, even more so with the managerial and football philosophy changes that we have gone through in the past few seasons.

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Some seem to just want to make more out of it than it really is tbf and it's honestly pointless at this early moment into the season.
 
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Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
Why the xhiello sub tho? We needed help en midfield, it was early in the second half and he opted for chiello. Why?

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This is the w truth. He needs to react to this asap because after our 2nd goal we threw the game to udinese
Max definitely not without blame here, he’s even admitted that he thinks he changed too much and that he needs to get used to how to change a game with 5 subs. We didn’t look in control after the substitutions changed our shape. Kulusevski’s intro was also a hindrance - he offers nothing from a tactical perspective and technically he’s very limited going forward, he was chasing shadows after his introduction. The move to a back 3 wasn’t needed and we would have been better served bringing Loca on for more midfield solidity and energy

Reality is though that bar 2 utter calamities from the idiot that is Tek and that’s a very comfortable 2-0 win we would have had, the created the 2 goals and 1 other chance so we’re really incredibly fortunate to get anything out of the game.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
imo locatelli and arthur combo is gonna be the key to allegri.

this midfield is shit, and people can hate arthur all they want but he is good at passing and holding the ball and is underrated when it comes to intercepting balls too. this midfield desperately needs to get back the element of control they had under allegri when he had prime marchisio or pjanic in, and arthur is key to that. locatelli alone won't be enough.

you need two intelligent mids. so that is locatelli and arthur. the third needs to be an all rounder that is physical so that is bentancur or mckennie or rabiot. having two smart passers in the team who are good at ball retention will mask mckennie and bentancur's weakness with passing. only 1 passer in mid can't do that.


i'd be curious if allegri goes back to his 4-3-1-2 system he used in 2015. i think that formation is best suited for this team to get the players to perform the best overall, not in terms of invidividual play.

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Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,916
More than the clownshow from Szczesny, one major takeaway is how we tend to collapse after taking leads. Used to happen all the time last season.

If we're collapsing the same way come Feb/March, then there is a cause for concern. Having said that, we still have too many useless players who shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup.

Tici has done long term damage to this club which is going to take some time to fix.
 

rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
More than the clownshow from Szczesny, one major takeaway is how we tend to collapse after taking leads. Used to happen all the time last season.

If we're collapsing the same way come Feb/March, then there is a cause for concern. Having said that, we still have too many useless players who shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup.

Tici has done long term damage to this club which is going to take some time to fix.
The management know this and want to sell Tek, then come the manager said that we just need to keep him
And letting go the most talented goalkeepeer that available for free
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,916
The management know this and want to sell Tek, then come the manager said that we just need to keep him
And letting go the most talented goalkeepeer that available for free
This is not just about Tek and its very convenient to shift the blame to Allegri.

What are guys like Bernardeschi and Rugani still doing at the club? We have given long term contract extensions to not just Szczesny, but likes of Bonucci and Sandro as well and none of them are justifying their wages.

Let's not even talk about the disastrous Rabiot and Ramsey deals.

As I said, too many useless/underperforming players at the club that should've been shipped off long ago. That idiot Tici messed up our finances by making these players feel comfortable and as a result, we can neither sell these clowns nor be able to afford better players.

One of the worst SD's to ever manage Juventus.
 

rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
This is not just about Tek and its very convenient to shift the blame to Allegri.

What are guys like Bernardeschi and Rugani still doing at the club? We have given long term contract extensions to not just Szczesny, but likes of Bonucci and Sandro as well and none of them are justifying their wages.

Let's not even talk about the disastrous Rabiot and Ramsey deals.

As I said, too many useless/underperforming players at the club that should've been shipped off long ago. That idiot Tici messed up our finances by making these players feel comfortable and as a result, we can neither sell these clowns nor be able to afford better players.

One of the worst SD's to ever manage Juventus.
That all happens since we put so much investment on CR7 LOL
WE dont even have a money to secure Donnaruma and need to sell Tek first
WE dont even have a money to get Locatelli on straight transfer

And what he brings to the club ?? no better than without him so that 300m + investment actually not needed in the first place

If CR7 goes this year for the better of all, lets just do it and forget this 3 failure yearsss LOLOLOLOLOL. Fucking GOAT MY ASS
 
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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Max definitely not without blame here, he’s even admitted that he thinks he changed too much and that he needs to get used to how to change a game with 5 subs. We didn’t look in control after the substitutions changed our shape. Kulusevski’s intro was also a hindrance - he offers nothing from a tactical perspective and technically he’s very limited going forward, he was chasing shadows after his introduction. The move to a back 3 wasn’t needed and we would have been better served bringing Loca on for more midfield solidity and energy

Reality is though that bar 2 utter calamities from the idiot that is Tek and that’s a very comfortable 2-0 win we would have had, the created the 2 goals and 1 other chance so we’re really incredibly fortunate to get anything out of the game.
Pretty spot on.

I would recommend allegri to refrain from using Kulusekski. The guy is not juve material and adds few
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,883
What new players? We have one who's not fully fit and one Brazilian who'll probably not play much anyways. This is probably the mercato with the least buys we have had in more than a decade (Unless I have missed someone)
Hey now, don't bring facts into these discussions. You know very well they aren't welcome on 'tuz!


So we threw away a 2-0 lead against mighty udine and some people defend allegri. This draw is on him.
Are you at all familiar with football?


No wait, never mind. That's a dumb question.
 

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