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[Quetzalcoatl]

Sarri case last year. But AA is not a dick like ADL. Anyway it's a bad decision to keep an unmotivated coach on his last year of contact on.

Indeed, and you don't extend their contracts and give them raises. Unless... they are motivated by more money lol

 

[il brutto]

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Thank you for not seeing the world through nostalgia lenses.

Nostalgia lenses Will be one of my favorites in the future.

Everyone on the internet: "this opinion is unbiased and great because it's the same as my opinon"

 

[.zero]

I would love Jardim.

Yes

 

[.zero]

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[IliveForJuve]

Nostalgia lenses Will be one of my favorites in the future.

Everyone on the internet: "this opinion is unbiased and great because it's the same as my opinon"

Everyone including you, yes.

 

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Nostalgia lenses Will be one of my favorites in the future.

Everyone on the internet: "this opinion is unbiased and great because it's the same as my opinon"

People are such bullshit artists about what’s successful in modern football.

They want Zidane here, and fancy Madrid’s last 5 years, but completely ignore how Madrid accomplished their run, and their style of play which was never wide-open, out-of-control retard football like we saw this year in CL.

Madrid played 34 CL knockout matches the last 5 years. 26 of those matches they allowed 0 or 1 goals. Only twice they allowed more than 2 goals. They won 4 of 5 CL titles by being incredibly ruthless up front (Ronaldo), controlling the games with their midfield, and being very well organized and solid at the back. They rarely looked anywhere near as ragged and out of control as the team’s did in this year’s SFs.

But because this “style” of football has finally succeeded, all these prisoners of the moment are now acting like it’s the only thing that works in CL.

The difference between Barca and Madrid the past 5 years was that while both teams scored a lot of goals, Madrid also did an outstanding job at the back keeping them out of their own net. Barca didn’t.

 

[Juve92]

People are such bullshit artists about what’s successful in modern football.

They want Zidane here, and fancy Madrid’s last 5 years, but completely ignore how Madrid accomplished their run, and their style of play which was never wide-open, out-of-control retard football like we saw this year in CL.

Madrid played 34 CL knockout matches the last 5 years. 26 of those matches they allowed 0 or 1 goals. Only twice they allowed more than 2 goals. They won 4 of 5 CL titles by being incredibly ruthless up front (Ronaldo), controlling the games with their midfield, and being very well organized and solid at the back. They rarely looked anywhere near as ragged and out of control as the team’s did in this year’s SFs.

But because this “style” of football has finally succeeded, all these prisoners of the moment are now acting like it’s the only thing that works in CL.

The difference between Barca and Madrid the past 5 years was that while both teams scored a lot of goals, Madrid also did an outstanding job at the back keeping them out of their own net. Barca didn’t.

 

[il brutto]

Everyone including you, yes.

Absolutely. That's why I said everyone. My advantage is that I at the very least acknowledge it. Some go through their hole life believing in their own bullshit.

 

[juve123]

People are such bullshit artists about what’s successful in modern football.

They want Zidane here, and fancy Madrid’s last 5 years, but completely ignore how Madrid accomplished their run, and their style of play which was never wide-open, out-of-control retard football like we saw this year in CL.

Madrid played 34 CL knockout matches the last 5 years. 26 of those matches they allowed 0 or 1 goals. Only twice they allowed more than 2 goals. They won 4 of 5 CL titles by being incredibly ruthless up front (Ronaldo), controlling the games with their midfield, and being very well organized and solid at the back. They rarely looked anywhere near as ragged and out of control as the team’s did in this year’s SFs.

But because this “style” of football has finally succeeded, all these prisoners of the moment are now acting like it’s the only thing that works in CL.

The difference between Barca and Madrid the past 5 years was that while both teams scored a lot of goals, Madrid also did an outstanding job at the back keeping them out of their own net. Barca didn’t.

And lots of luck which you need to win this competition

 

[IliveForJuve]

Absolutely. That's why I said everyone. My advantage is that I at the very least acknowledge it. Some go through their hole life believing in their own bullshit.

I acknowledge it too

 

[.zero]

People are such bullshit artists about what’s successful in modern football.

They want Zidane here, and fancy Madrid’s last 5 years, but completely ignore how Madrid accomplished their run, and their style of play which was never wide-open, out-of-control retard football like we saw this year in CL.

Madrid played 34 CL knockout matches the last 5 years. 26 of those matches they allowed 0 or 1 goals. Only twice they allowed more than 2 goals. They won 4 of 5 CL titles by being incredibly ruthless up front (Ronaldo), controlling the games with their midfield, and being very well organized and solid at the back. They rarely looked anywhere near as ragged and out of control as the team’s did in this year’s SFs.

But because this “style” of football has finally succeeded, all these prisoners of the moment are now acting like it’s the only thing that works in CL.

The difference between Barca and Madrid the past 5 years was that while both teams scored a lot of goals, Madrid also did an outstanding job at the back keeping them out of their own net. Barca didn’t.

 

[Ronn]

Indeed, and you don't extend their contracts and give them raises. Unless... they are motivated by more money lol

I don't have any problem with contract extension. Allegri is in his peak of professional life, and even if things don't go as planned you still can fire him and he'll have no problem finding another job. But not a huge salary bump. Maybe if we could tie it to his performance somehow.

 

[juve123]

I don't have any problem with contract extension. Allegri is in his peak of professional life, and even if things don't go as planned you still can fire him and he'll have no problem finding another job. But not a huge salary bump. Maybe if we could tie it to his performance somehow.

I am not sure if Allegri wants more power in the mercato or pay rise

 

[DS8_Montero]

None of the big clubs' football philosophies is better or worse than the others. With the great squad and proper execution any football philosophy will bring you the result, so there's no need to switch to the most trendy one.

Proponents of the modern attacking football usually mention such names as Guardiola, Klopp, and Sarri. OK, let's take a look at what their attacking football brought them in terms of European success.

1. Guardiola. Lost zero Champions League finals since 2011. That would be impressive if it were for countless trophies he won rather than for his dropping out even before reaching the finals, mostly in semi-finals.

2. Klopp. Reached three European cups finals, lost all of them.

3. Sarri. This man, with all of the "beauty" of his football, failed to reach even the Europa League final, even when it was easier to do it rather than not (Napoli a few years ago).

At the same time:
- the last 3 CL cups were taken by Zidane's Real Madrid, the club, that adhered to very rational football. Considering the quality of the squad they had, you could say that they played equally "bad" compared to what Max does at Juventus.
- the last Europa League trophy was won by Atletico Madrid. No comments.
- the year before that the Europa League cup was won by Man Utd. Mou's Man Utd. Man "the bus" Utd. Who did they play against? Ajax.

So, in reality the attacking football philosophy produces mostly fuss but no end product. I don't see any reason for Juventus to suddenly abandon their approach to football and start doing what these overhyped teams/managers do.

Yes, this year it seems like this type of football wins. But it wouldn't be prudent to make any long-terms conclusions based on only one season.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I don't have any problem with contract extension. Allegri is in his peak of professional life, and even if things don't go as planned you still can fire him and he'll have no problem finding another job. But not a huge salary bump. Maybe if we could tie it to his performance somehow.

Yeah I have no problem, just saying the story of him demanding an extension & raise, but not willing to leave on mutual termination makes no sense

 

[Ronn]

I am not sure if Allegri wants more power in the mercato or pay rise

But more power in what sense? He wants to negotiate with other clubs himself? Or decide which players to sign based a limited budget? He doesn't have the skill set for the former, and honestly he should already have the latter.

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Yeah I have no problem, just saying the story of him demanding an extension & raise, but not willing to leave on mutual termination makes no sense

I missed that part. It's nonsense of course. This is a "fire me" plea, which I'm sure no sane person would do.

 

[Vialli_92]

The only thing I want to see is high pressing, it's the one thing we lack compared to other top teams

They all do it in the CL and since Pep brought it back in 2008 it has been the blueprint for success in that time

We need more energy overall as a team, we are very static and rigid and I guess overly defensive with attacking players as well

For me this comes down to Allegri's style so that is the reason I am not a fan of his and would prefer to move on because I don't think he will change

 

[IliveForJuve]

He really should go to PSG. He'd get the players he wants and more.

But is he really capable of building a team? And by team, I mean team spirit.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

But more power in what sense? He wants to negotiate with other clubs himself? Or decide which players to sign based a limited budget? He doesn't have the skill set for the former, and honestly he should already have the latter.
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I think this is the problem, I think he wants control of the characteristics of who we sign to fit his system, thus far i think he has just been working with what has been given to him, he probably wants specific types of players so he can play his system instead of making due with that he is given.

I would have thought he would already have this power, but there have been a few rumors stating that he wants more control so maybe he has just gotten frustrated with how the club is run transfer wise. If we try for Pep then he would need complete control so i don't see why we wouldn't give Max a chance to build his own team.