Wigga, please. Two of Klopp's finals were managing a small team with lolzy budget and players who proved to be average after he left.
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He had a good group of players who played together for quite some time, and a good system for them.
Klopp also managed to finish 8th, 4th, and 4th in the league in his first 3 seasons at Pool. And had Borussia in the relegation zone halfway through the season of his last year at Dortmund.
He's still a great coach. So is Max.
You ninnies need to stop acting like Allegri is some scrub and diminishing his accomplishments to polish the image of the current flavour of the month. It's simply retarded.
Klopp also managed to finish 8th, 4th, and 4th in the league in his first 3 seasons at Pool. And had Borussia in the relegation zone halfway through the season of his last year at Dortmund.
He's still a great coach. So is Max.
You ninnies need to stop acting like Allegri is some scrub and diminishing his accomplishments to polish the image of the current flavour of the month. It's simply retarded.
Gundogan is okay, not great. Hummels is lol and Reus is good.
The rest of the team was MdS level (okay i'm exaggerating)
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He built that group of players just like he built this current group at Liverpool.
Where was Liverpool when Klopp took over?
I'm not even mentioning Max here. He's a great coach but I still want him gone.
The rest of the team was MdS level (okay i'm exaggerating)
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He built that group of players just like he built this current group at Liverpool.
Where was Liverpool when Klopp took over?
I'm not even mentioning Max here. He's a great coach but I still want him gone.
Hummels ended up in Bayern. Maybe he's slow now, but he was surely not "lol" back then. Also his second European final was EL in 2016. He had Firmino and Coutinho in his roster. The rest of them were average, but it's not like Sevilla squad were all world class.
I like Klopp by the way. He's a great coach. But this hyperbole needs to stop.
I like Klopp by the way. He's a great coach. But this hyperbole needs to stop.
He lost 1 European cup final with Dortmund and 2 of them with Liverpool.
2013 - Dortmund, the 13th richest football club in the world. In 2015, when Max reached his first final, Juventus were on the 9th place in this list.
2016 - Liverpool, the 8th richest club in the world (Juventus is still the 9th).
2018 - Liverpool, the 8th richest club in the world (Juventus is still the 9th).
2013 - Dortmund, the 13th richest football club in the world. In 2015, when Max reached his first final, Juventus were on the 9th place in this list.
2016 - Liverpool, the 8th richest club in the world (Juventus is still the 9th).
2018 - Liverpool, the 8th richest club in the world (Juventus is still the 9th).
The entire team was good, except for Schmelzer. No idea how he's managed to start for so long 
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Just put him on ignore and don't look back.
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Just put him on ignore and don't look back.
Truth must hurt
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Everyone come at me, brahs
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To be fair to Klopp, fuckin Karius ruined any chances Liverpool had last year.
And we can continue this discussion after he wins this one.
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Yes, but Juventus fell apart in the previous final also due to the reasons that have little to do with the club's style of football. Actually, I can see a lot of similarities between these two failures, not only the almost identical final score.
I'm not trying to say that Klopp or Guardiola are bad managers. They are obviously not. I just don't think that:
a) they are better than Max;
b) Juventus, as a football club (with all the traditions, transfer market strategy, etc.), can or should try to adopt their style of football.
I'm not trying to say that Klopp or Guardiola are bad managers. They are obviously not. I just don't think that:
a) they are better than Max;
b) Juventus, as a football club (with all the traditions, transfer market strategy, etc.), can or should try to adopt their style of football.
I think even since Allegri arrived at Juve, the times have changed. There is a bit more pressing nowadays. There are a lot of outside the box thinkers that believe the most important thing you should do is counter press and that possession is not even that favourable.
As in... punt the ball to the other team and press their defenders until they commit a mistake. I'm in agreement with you that we don't need this fairy tale tiki taka football but our intensity and energy is below the level required.
As in... punt the ball to the other team and press their defenders until they commit a mistake. I'm in agreement with you that we don't need this fairy tale tiki taka football but our intensity and energy is below the level required.
Perhaps Max should get to decide who he buys then like Klopp, instead of having a random team built with no notion of whether the players suit the team and others in it.
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That’s not at all Zidane’s style. And he just won 3 straight CL titles. Just because this year it finally worked out for these teams, doesn’t mean it’s some revolutionary tactic and the game will never work for tactically disciplined and more pragmatic sides again. Zidane is an incredibly pragmatic coach.
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That’s not at all Zidane’s style. And he just won 3 straight CL titles. Just because this year it finally worked out for these teams, doesn’t mean it’s some revolutionary tactic and the game will never work for tactically disciplined and more pragmatic sides again. Zidane is an incredibly pragmatic coach.
Klopp is a good coach, but now he is the best in the world. That's what I figured out after reading the last few posts, thanks for opening my eyes IliveForJuve, sry, I mean IliveForKlopp.
That's what I figured out after reading the last few posts, thanks for opening my eyes IliveForJuve, sry, I mean IliveForKlopp.
Zidane is the GOAT of coaches and he too is great at motivating and creating an actual team.
You can often hear that even if Max doesn't have top midfield, it's not an excuse, since Klopp doesn't have it either.
But here's the difference: Klopp has the players that perfectly fit the profile he requires, while Max...
Well, Max has a group of mostly mediocre players that were assembled together for many different reasons. Some of them seemed like great opportunity from the financial perspective, the others showed great potential or just looked like they might fill the gap for the time being.
And this is more than just a groundless speculation - the club management several times openly admitted that one of the Max's strengths they like is his ability to work with whomever they give him.
Maybe, Max had to voice his concerns more loudly, and this situation is partially his fault too. According to rumors, that's exactly what he does now. If it's true, he deserves at least another year at this club. With all the leverages in his hands, including the transfer market. So that we could finally see what it is the Juventus Max have had in his mind all of these years.
But here's the difference: Klopp has the players that perfectly fit the profile he requires, while Max...
Well, Max has a group of mostly mediocre players that were assembled together for many different reasons. Some of them seemed like great opportunity from the financial perspective, the others showed great potential or just looked like they might fill the gap for the time being.
And this is more than just a groundless speculation - the club management several times openly admitted that one of the Max's strengths they like is his ability to work with whomever they give him.
Maybe, Max had to voice his concerns more loudly, and this situation is partially his fault too. According to rumors, that's exactly what he does now. If it's true, he deserves at least another year at this club. With all the leverages in his hands, including the transfer market. So that we could finally see what it is the Juventus Max have had in his mind all of these years.