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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
There's only so much transfer budget. No money left for midfield. We went to CL final with this midfield so it's not hard to see how management felt.
And 35m for Bonucci was only for accounting purposes. We swapped him with Caldara, which might turn out to be a complete flop. He cost us 20m when we bough him from Atalanta iirc.
We also went to 2 CL finals, knocking out both Real Madrid and Barca, while playing a back 4 with Bonucci along the way. Bonucci was nowhere near our worst performer against Barca (even with losing his partner Chiellini for the final) and was just one of many who put in dreadful performances in Cardiff.

Somehow this guarantees to some people it’s impossible to win a CL with Bonucci. Bonucci has his flaws, certainly, and he’s had a poor last two years, but he’s hardly the trash some make him out to be.

Bonucci is also like Pep’s favourite CB ever :lol3:

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Positive. He told me in private when we met in greece last summer.
Pep told me in private last week, that he’d come be Juve’s next manager just for the chance to coach the legendary GOAT....

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JuveE46

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,595
In 20+ years for me nothing has felt as sure as this: Zidane will be a legend as a coach. If you could break down and turn the values of this club into a player/manager you would end up with him. I believe he would be better here than at Madrid. This is home not just business. Anyone who knows Zidane knows all this.
 

Lapa

FLY, EAGLES FLY
Sep 29, 2008
20,044
In 20+ years for me nothing has felt as sure as this: Zidane will be a legend as a coach. If you could break down and turn the values of this club into a player/manager you would end up with him. I believe he would be better here than at Madrid. This is home not just business. Anyone who knows Zidane knows all this.
He's a man whore, enough said.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
In 20+ years for me nothing has felt as sure as this: Zidane will be a legend as a coach. If you could break down and turn the values of this club into a player/manager you would end up with him. I believe he would be better here than at Madrid. This is home not just business. Anyone who knows Zidane knows all this.
How well do you know Zidane?
 

Arcticdaly

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2018
4,075
Im even more pissed off with Max with that patethic display vs AM after seeing PSG and Real madrid going out to shit teams this is the most open champions league in years and well probably limp out in first round fucking annoying.
 
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Clamarc

Senior Member
Sep 26, 2018
1,982
Max is great coach with tactical flexibility and good reading of the game as his main strengths but now seems he lost his tactical strength probably because the midfield is completely sucks so his only option is to play from the wings where it didn't really work either since most teams can defend Juve crossess easily even sometimes Serie A minnows. When Juve had MVPP he had many options to play any style of football from keeping possession, counter attack, from middle or wings, long pass or short pass. All those 4 had their own strength which complemented each other very well. Pirlo with his brilliant vision and long pass. Vidal a physical beast who had great goalscoring instinct. Marchisio the jack all of trades who later turn into great regista. And Pogba with his wonderful technique, ball control, and strong physique. Now compare them to Pjanic, Matuidi, Kebab brothers, and Bentancur. It's just really sad. Whoever coach will be in charge next season if the midfield is still broken as it is, Juve chance of winning CL won't get any better.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,847
Max is great coach with tactical flexibility and good reading of the game as his main strengths but now seems he lost his tactical strength probably because the midfield is completely sucks so his only option is to play from the wings where it didn't really work either since most teams can defend Juve crossess easily even sometimes Serie A minnows. When Juve had MVPP he had many options to play any style of football from keeping possession, counter attack, from middle or wings, long pass or short pass. All those 4 had their own strength which complemented each other very well. Pirlo with his brilliant vision and long pass. Vidal a physical beast who had great goalscoring instinct. Marchisio the jack all of trades who later turn into great regista. And Pogba with his wonderful technique, ball control, and strong physique. Now compare them to Pjanic, Matuidi, Kebab brothers, and Bentancur. It's just really sad. Whoever coach will be in charge next season if the midfield is still broken as it is, Juve chance of winning CL won't get any better.
I would accept this defence if he tried multiple formations and combinations to improve our midfield play. But he hasn't. We're up 16 points in Serie A so Bernardeschi should have multiple games at CM already to find out if he can be a solution. Or there should have been experimentation with Dybala as a false 9 and see if we can improve by simply putting more players in midfield.

Or even an experimentation with a 3 man back line. Something like a 3-4-2-1 so again there are more players in the midfield area and the water carriers CMs we have can focus on doing only that. For example, if you had Dybala and Berna behind Ronaldo in a 3-4-2-1.

I mean, there are endless combinations you can come up with that you can at least try. Just try! You can even keep everything the same but try Pjanic as B2B to see if he can do some damage between the opponent's midfield and defence. Not even for a single minute did he experiment.

Berna played his whole life in the centre. Pjanic played a lot of B2B before Juve. Dybala played his whole life as a #9. These are not crazy thoughts to try. While Cuadrado was healthy, he didn't even play. Why not put him in the Khedira/Bentancur/Can position for one match and see. Could he be worse?

Even keep the exact same starting XI but try Matuidi at RCM instead of LCM beside Ronaldo. Has Ronaldo ever played with a worse player technically than Matuidi, right beside him? Can you just try for 45 minutes against Mamma Mia FC when you're winning 3-0. Just see if Matuidi can keep up his 20% pass completion on the right side.
 
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cimenk

Senior Member
Jul 23, 2008
3,129
But Allegri need to learn from Solskjaer
Trust your player, even when the player is a youngster or not first team. Look how it turn out when A. Pereira, Fred played. Even they play better after more attacking fullback Dalot come in when Smalling go the the center

Use your subs well even when what you have on the bench is youngster. Just trust them. Ole trust Tahith Chong and Greenwood when the game still in balance and they need a goal. You can imagine what Allegri will do if the option on the bench is Spina or Kean
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,930
Solskjaer has learnt a thing or two from Ferguson. Instilling believe and putting trust in his players. Simple things but he sure as hell been doing that well. Sometimes we get wraped up too much in dactics when its just a game and they need just need to be thrown out there trusted to do their jobs.

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Clamarc

Senior Member
Sep 26, 2018
1,982
I would accept this defence if he tried multiple formations and combinations to improve our midfield play. But he hasn't. We're up 16 points in Serie A so Bernardeschi should have multiple games at CM already to find out if he can be a solution. Or there should have been experimentation with Dybala as a false 9 and see if we can improve by simply putting more players in midfield.

Or even an experimentation with a 3 man back line. Something like a 3-4-2-1 so again there are more players in the midfield area and the water carriers CMs we have can focus on doing only that. For example, if you had Dybala and Berna behind Ronaldo in a 3-4-2-1.

I mean, there are endless combinations you can come up with that you can at least try. Just try! You can even keep everything the same but try Pjanic as B2B to see if he can do some damage between the opponent's midfield and defence. Not even for a single minute did he experiment.
I didn't mean to defend Max just pointing out that Juve problems are lie beyond the coach as well. And I agree with you, that's why I said he lost his strength which is his flexibility, seems he is to afraid to experiment something this season. He did try to use Cuad as CM in early part of the season though. Unfortunately Allegri's choice is limited too since Cuad is injured, Costa hasn't been the same since spitting incident, Khedira as useless as he is lol but we need him healthy and ready to play.
 
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JuveE46

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,595
If rookie ole Gunnar can motivate that shit squad with some players that wouldn't be qualified to sit on our bench to do that to psg and win on AWAY goals, it would be pathetic for Allegri to not do the same or at least dominate the game at HOME..Penalty or not it was impressive even if they had lost without VAR help.
 

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