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I believe this team has the ability to overturn the deficit against Atleti but I have little to no faith in Allegri.
As soon as we go a couple or maybe 3 goals up, Allegri's inner instinct is going to set in which is to sit back and defend. He almost can't be controlled in this aspect which is why he has remained an almost coach all his career. He does everything right only to screw up in the last moment.
I will also go ahead and say that this the weakest backline since our resurgence so sitting back with this back 4 is next to disaster. It is not our strongest aspect anymore and we should do all we can to focus more on our strengths.
Honestly, if we miraculously comeback against Atletico, I'm not sure if we won't continue repeating the same strategy against bigger teams.
As soon as we go a couple or maybe 3 goals up, Allegri's inner instinct is going to set in which is to sit back and defend. He almost can't be controlled in this aspect which is why he has remained an almost coach all his career. He does everything right only to screw up in the last moment.
I will also go ahead and say that this the weakest backline since our resurgence so sitting back with this back 4 is next to disaster. It is not our strongest aspect anymore and we should do all we can to focus more on our strengths.
Honestly, if we miraculously comeback against Atletico, I'm not sure if we won't continue repeating the same strategy against bigger teams.
LOL this is such a fucking myth.
Shall we see which teams knocked us out?
1. Defending champions Bayern filled with superstars and Guardiola on the bench. While we had multiple first team players either missing or playing injured. While we had a regular goal by Morata for 3-0 disallowed and missed multiple other sitters (Morata, Cuadrado, Mandžukić & Bonucci in overtime). How? By a retarded mistake from our most experienced defender, dribbling in front of his own goal in dying minutes. Allegri set up a perfect gameplan that night, but human stupidity cost us. We literally played the same game Atletico did against us, allowed them absolutely nothing and created way more chances. Atletico gets praised, Allegri is a pussy.
2. The strongest RM ever by a very dubious last minute penalty.
Which teams did we knock out? Dortmund, great Monaco team, Barcelona, Real Madrid. Playing the same way. So we have way more successful ties w/o 'Allegri screwing up in the last moment'. (And no, we did not play that way in any of the finals. If anything we were too reckless and impatient attacking too much).
Why is this argument not used the other way around? Why are people pretending there is some secret recipe for winning the CL (attacking all game). What happened to us in Cardiff when we attacked? What happened to Chelsea last year vs Barcelona? What happened to PSG last night? What happened to RM and Barcelona against us in 2015 and 2017? People use Ajax as an example while forgetting they played the exact same game in Amsterdam. What was the difference? Ajax missed sitters then, RM scored from 2 chances. Then in Madrid Ajax scored everything, RM hit the frame of the goal twice and Benzema slipped on an open goal.
Shall we see which teams knocked us out?
1. Defending champions Bayern filled with superstars and Guardiola on the bench. While we had multiple first team players either missing or playing injured. While we had a regular goal by Morata for 3-0 disallowed and missed multiple other sitters (Morata, Cuadrado, Mandžukić & Bonucci in overtime). How? By a retarded mistake from our most experienced defender, dribbling in front of his own goal in dying minutes. Allegri set up a perfect gameplan that night, but human stupidity cost us. We literally played the same game Atletico did against us, allowed them absolutely nothing and created way more chances. Atletico gets praised, Allegri is a pussy.
2. The strongest RM ever by a very dubious last minute penalty.
Which teams did we knock out? Dortmund, great Monaco team, Barcelona, Real Madrid. Playing the same way. So we have way more successful ties w/o 'Allegri screwing up in the last moment'. (And no, we did not play that way in any of the finals. If anything we were too reckless and impatient attacking too much).
Why is this argument not used the other way around? Why are people pretending there is some secret recipe for winning the CL (attacking all game). What happened to us in Cardiff when we attacked? What happened to Chelsea last year vs Barcelona? What happened to PSG last night? What happened to RM and Barcelona against us in 2015 and 2017? People use Ajax as an example while forgetting they played the exact same game in Amsterdam. What was the difference? Ajax missed sitters then, RM scored from 2 chances. Then in Madrid Ajax scored everything, RM hit the frame of the goal twice and Benzema slipped on an open goal.
Such a long wall of text yet us and Atletico have won the CL zero times since 1996 while offensively built teams like Real, Bayern and Barca have won it several times. You can talk about all the one-off matches of the tournament as anything can happen, but in the end the winners, bar rare exceptions like Chelsea that create the rule, are always teams that have a solid attacking gameplan and don't sit back to defend a 1 goal lead.
Going gung-ho like Arsenal and PSG is always suicide, but having a solid offensively based gameplan with a lot of movement is always a winners recipe.
Going gung-ho like Arsenal and PSG is always suicide, but having a solid offensively based gameplan with a lot of movement is always a winners recipe.
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Such an irrelevant argument. Real Madrid and Barcelona had two best players ever in their primes for 10 years in superstar stacked teams. And before that they had Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane etc. That same Bayern lost 2/3 finals to inferior teams while being the attacking side. Ancelotti's Real was a strictly counter-attacking team. Real Galacticos had a dream team and didn't go further than 1/8 final 8 years in a row. Guardiola has all the money in the world and didn't sniff the CL since Barcelona. And even then they won the 2nd by committing daylight robbery vs Chelsea. Klopp is playing great offensive football and lost 2 finals. Lippi's Juventus won only 1 title out of 4 and they were favorites in every single one while attacking and playing offensive football.
My point isn't that this or that football is better or gets you what you want. It's that there are absolutely no guarantees and for every 'defending a 1 goal lead' team loss there are 10 more 'playing for a goal more' teams knocked out yet we only hear how bad defensive teams are.
My point isn't that this or that football is better or gets you what you want. It's that there are absolutely no guarantees and for every 'defending a 1 goal lead' team loss there are 10 more 'playing for a goal more' teams knocked out yet we only hear how bad defensive teams are.
So pointing out that the winners of the tournament are almost always offensively built is an irrelevant argument?
2018 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2017 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2016 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2015 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2014 winners Real: offensive gameplan (Ancelottis sTrIcTlY cOuNtEr AtTaCkInG tEaM crushed teams like Gala and Schalke by 6 goals, Bayern by 4 btw)
2013 winners Bayern: offensive gameplan
2012 winners Chelsea: defensive gameplan
2011 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2010 winners Inter: defensive gameplan
2009 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2008 winners United: offensive gameplan
2007 winners Milan: offensive gameplan
2006 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
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2018 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2017 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2016 winners Real: offensive gameplan
2015 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2014 winners Real: offensive gameplan (Ancelottis sTrIcTlY cOuNtEr AtTaCkInG tEaM crushed teams like Gala and Schalke by 6 goals, Bayern by 4 btw)
2013 winners Bayern: offensive gameplan
2012 winners Chelsea: defensive gameplan
2011 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2010 winners Inter: defensive gameplan
2009 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
2008 winners United: offensive gameplan
2007 winners Milan: offensive gameplan
2006 winners Barca: offensive gameplan
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no matter what will happen after a week, firing coach in march when he is winning league by 16 points is so stupid, you canm never declare the season as failure after reaching playoffs in CL and crushing teams domestically. Even more riduculiuos would be Conte's return.
ZZ or Pep in June. thats what would make sense.
ZZ or Pep in June. thats what would make sense.
Yes. Because they didn't win cause they had an offensive gameplan, they won because they were the best, had the best players and coaches, ref help and enormous amount of luck sometimes. There were many other teams with offensive gameplans in those seasons who were knocked out or lost in finals like City, Liverpool, Dortmund, Monaco, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern etc. Some of them even lost to defensive gameplans, how is that possible?
Just boiling someone's success or failure down to offensive or defensive gameplan is incredibly superficial and ignoring all the other factors that go into it.
Nice job trying to sneak in Ancelotti's Milan and Real as offensive btw. Even Zidane's Real first and last year.
Just boiling someone's success or failure down to offensive or defensive gameplan is incredibly superficial and ignoring all the other factors that go into it.
Nice job trying to sneak in Ancelotti's Milan and Real as offensive btw. Even Zidane's Real first and last year.
Looking at all the shocking comebacks yesterday...hope our players get inspired.
But then, Allegri has destroyed all of our will to dream. I can only imagine our players being fired up to score goals and Allegri yelling at them to stay behind the half way line.
Seriously, Can’t believe I’m saying this. fug you allegri, you have taken away our will to dream. The tactics u used against athletics is even worst than the one you used against all of Real Madrid’s trolling of us. Now fug off to another tier two club like Inter Tottenham or Getafe. CR7 and we are done with you.
But then, Allegri has destroyed all of our will to dream. I can only imagine our players being fired up to score goals and Allegri yelling at them to stay behind the half way line.
Seriously, Can’t believe I’m saying this. fug you allegri, you have taken away our will to dream. The tactics u used against athletics is even worst than the one you used against all of Real Madrid’s trolling of us. Now fug off to another tier two club like Inter Tottenham or Getafe. CR7 and we are done with you.
The whole premise of there only being attacking and defending football and the division to strictly attacking and defending coaches is wrong. Football isn't black and white. To win you need to have a balanced side that is good at everything. So what a huge surprise that most of the teams that win the CL are also really good at attacking. It's ridiculous to think football is as simple as just having an "offensive gameplan" gets you results.
They were the best because they scored a bunch of goals! The players were the best because they scored a bunch of goals! The coaches were the best because they encouraged the team to score a bunch of goals! Of course there are other factors, I'm not retarded (I hope), but I'm painting this super black and white for you solely to drive in the point: there is one underlying pattern with almost all these winners that should be clear as daylight. Of course they had the primes Messis and Ronaldos and plenty of defensive teams knocked out offensive teams like City, but in the end, the winners still almost always share one common trait.
I made a mistake with Ancelottis Milan btw, but Ancelottis and Zidanes Reals both had clear offensive tactics which was visible in the results. They invited pressure sure, but they played effective counter-attacking football with a clear philosophy and crushed the opposition with tons of goals.
I made a mistake with Ancelottis Milan btw, but Ancelottis and Zidanes Reals both had clear offensive tactics which was visible in the results. They invited pressure sure, but they played effective counter-attacking football with a clear philosophy and crushed the opposition with tons of goals.
The last time I hated a juve coach was probably Ranieri. I have the same hatred for Allegri now.
I know Allegei fared better than Ranieri.
But, it’s the emotion that they give us fans for constantly being second best and showing no ambition that hurts.
Having said that, we have to be careful who we hire after Allegri leaves. Not another Italian please, unless it is Ancelotti.
I know Allegei fared better than Ranieri.
But, it’s the emotion that they give us fans for constantly being second best and showing no ambition that hurts.
Having said that, we have to be careful who we hire after Allegri leaves. Not another Italian please, unless it is Ancelotti.
Do you watch our games? Allegri doesn't instruct the team to sit back and defend when we're ahead. It's not his fault that there are periods in the game when the players cannot string a few passes between themselves. If you think that a team is less likely to concede when they go full attacking than when they are more conservative you are simply wrong and I can't help you. What Allegri does is to tell the team to CONTROL the game which is keeping possession because the opposition cannot score when we have the ball. However, I'll say that again, it is not Allegri fault that these players make so many misplaced passes leading to losing possession and counter attacks like against Atletico when after Chiellini silly loss in the middle of the pitch Costa went 1v1 with Szczesny.
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