Massimiliano Allegri (238 Viewers)

[Vlad]

Our team is so good for serie a that it's not even fair so the 9 points argument is quite empty

Lets talk about football. We are struggling a lot in creation and attack, we have the GOAT and he's getting frustrated already cuz we don't play for him, we don't create anything for him

Our current tactic and formation doesn't suit our best player while is benching our second and third best players so...

Tbf CR missed some good chances so far

 

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[DAiDEViL]

Mental illness

 

[Vlad]

I dont now why I wrote Khedira I actually meant Can. Khedira’s role in this team should be reduced to picking up cones and balls after training by now.

Matuidi has been brilliant in the last two games, but in a two man mid I would like both CM to play as holding mids, and I think Can is better suited for that role.

Still hard to bench Matuidi in current form.

Yeah 2 man midfield doesnt seem an option atm with Matuidi playing like this and he shouldnt play as a holding mid either because you would take away one of his strong points, which means Dybala is further away from starting 11. Mandzukic and CR are automatic picks for attack and that 3rd spot is between Costa and Berna, since both are more suited for right wing role. Dybala doesnt have enough pace for winger, its either false #9 or attacking mid in 4-2-3-1.

Good start of the season even if hes being stubborn with the likes of Khedira far too much. Early days so plenty of time to figure things out before more important games.

 

[dolph]

Yeah 2 man midfield doesnt seem an option atm with Matuidi playing like this and he shouldnt play as a holding mid either because you would take away one of his strong points, which means Dybala is further away from starting 11. Mandzukic and CR are automatic picks for attack and that 3rd spot is between Costa and Berna, since both are more suited for right wing role. Dybala doesnt have enough pace for winger, its either false #9 or attacking mid in 4-2-3-1.

Good start of the season even if hes being stubborn with the likes of Khedira far too much. Early days so plenty of time to figure things out before more important games.

For me its much better than last year. We play a lot faster and create a lot more. At the same time we are a lot better at playing the ball from the back. Ronaldo, Bonucci and Cancelo are serious upgrades. Obviously we still have a long way to go before being in full gear, but this team looks promising.

If we have to bench Matuidi to get Dybala involved I am all for it, even if Matuidi are playing well at the moment.

 

[Vlad]

So what?

Another ugly game. We have the best historic Juve team(?) and playing awful. This is so f****g frustrating.

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So you don't care about how we play,but only winning ?

Well,i watch football and Juve because i want to enjoy the game,not only to see it winning.

I care for both but winning is far more important. Although I do believe this group of players could play some more fancy footy and at moments we could see glimpses of what they could offer. There is a lot of talent in the squad. Ultimately he will judged based on results though.

 

[Nedved96]

I just don't understand what he sees in Khedira. Very slow, unagile, limited on the ball, can't defend, can't attack. Everyone else can see what a waste of space Khedira is in the middle, why doesn't he.

We would be much better off if Can and Bentancur were being integrated into the team instead of Khedira walking on the pitch.

 

[Vlad]

For me its much better than last year. We play a lot faster and create a lot more. At the same time we are a lot better at playing the ball from the back. Ronaldo, Bonucci and Cancelo are serious upgrades. Obviously we still have a long way to go before being in full gear, but this team looks promising.

If we have to bench Matuidi to get Dybala involved I am all for it, even if Matuidi are playing well at the moment.

So far it seems we are better in process of build up and can actually play all the way out from the back even if opponent presses us unlike last year when we struggled. Also couple of times yesterday we saw some sexy play around the box with 1-2 touches, before opening up defense. I am excited to see how we will cope in CL against tricky team like Valencia.

 

[pavelnel]

Lippi, by far the best Juve manager of my lifetime.

I also think that Allegri’s quote about how he was inspired by Lippi and Capello is a bit misleading. Lippi was nothing like Capello or Allegri. His style of football was much closer to Ferguson.

Of course Lippi. He had at his disposal 30% less talant in his team but played more entertaing and successful footbal. Five european finals in seven years and one title .
He is the best manager in Juve's history.

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[ALC]

Lippi, by far the best Juve manager of my lifetime.

I also think that Allegri’s quote about how he was inspired by Lippi and Capello is a bit misleading. Lippi was nothing like Capello or Allegri. His style of football was much closer to Ferguson.

How the fuck is that a misleading quote? Just because you’re inspired by someone doesn’t mean you want to be exactly like them.

 

[Dominic]

Lippi's football was very pragmatic, not unlike Allegri's approach. I liked it, but it wasn't any much more entertaining than the football of his successors.

Also Lippi really lost the plot sometimes in 03/04.

 

[Boksic]

Lippi's football was very pragmatic, not unlike Allegri's approach. I liked it, but it wasn't any much more entertaining than the football of his successors.

Also Lippi really lost the plot sometimes in 03/04.

Lippi was pragmatic at times but also found a balance to play some great football. That team in the mid 90's was magnificent. Then managed to come back and nearly be as successful again.

 

[Vlad]

I dont recall Lippi's football as more entertaining, at least not during his first spell here.It was the same ol' grinding opponents down, 1-0 wins and a lot of good old school defending. And he had the strongest team on continent between 95-98.

 

[pavelnel]

I dont recall Lippi's football as more entertaining, at least not during his first spell here.It was the same ol' grinding opponents down, 1-0 wins and a lot of good old school defending. And he had the strongest team on continent between 95-98.

Lippi did not have the same attacking quality in his team as Allegri has. And despite this his team managed to produce one of the most impressive displays in Juve's history: 6:1 against Milan and PSG, 4:1 against Ajax, Monaco, Dinamo, 5:0 against Rapid, 7:0 against Olympiakos (biggest ever in CL), 3:1 against Real, 2:1 against Barca as guests and we were left with ten men.
I believe that with Lippi our current squad would have won at least one CL and played better. It is almost impossible to play worse. Oh, well, if Capello is not the coach, of course.

 

[IlCapitano]

The 9 points argument is meaningless to critics of Allegri (like myself).

We have by far the best squad in Serie A, it’s not even close. Any decent manager would win the league with this team.

Ancelotti won the Bundesliga with Bayern, but they still sacked him, because the football they played was bad.

Our standards should be the same. Winning Serie A is not enough, any competent manager could win Serie A with our squad. We should aim to play like a dominant force.

Ancelotti was sacked because he lost the team and they were risking being humiliated in Europe.

We should aim to win everything, as we already do. Style of play has nothing to do with that.

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Of course Lippi. He had at his disposal 30% less talant in his team but played more entertaing and successful footbal. Five european finals in seven years and one title .
He is the best manager in Juve's history.

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Lippi had less talent? Are you fucking kidding me? Other than Ronaldo no one in this team is even close to Zidane, Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Zambrotta, Thuram, or even Camoranesi.

That same Lippi lost 3/4 finals in CL, give me a break. If he was coaching now he would've been crucified.

And don't get me wrong, Lippi is my favorite coach of all time, but please.

 

[Vlad]

Lippi did not have the same attacking quality in his team as Allegri has. And despite this his team managed to produce one of the most impressive displays in Juve's history: 6:1 against Milan and PSG, 4:1 against Ajax, Monaco, Dinamo, 5:0 against Rapid, 7:0 against Olympiakos (biggest ever in CL), 3:1 against Real, 2:1 against Barca as guests and we were left with ten men.
I believe that with Lippi our current squad would have won at least one CL and played better. It is almost impossible to play worse. Oh, well, if Capello is not the coach, of course.

Del Piero, Vieri, Inzaghi, Zidane, Nedved, Trezeguet, etc... those were some of the best players of that era. Between 95-99 there werent as many strong sides as we have today with emergence of oil funded clubs.

The 2-1 win away against Barca had Buffon and Thuram written all over it. Funny that you used that game as an example since we spent most of the game pinned back in our own half and capitalizing on a counter attack at the end of extra time.

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It also seems easy to forget some memorable performances in CL under Allegri, like destroying Barcelona 3-0 or Dortmund away, winning both legs against Man City, etc... I get it, sentimentality plays its part and for me Juve team between 94-99 will be my favorite one of all time.

 

[pavelnel]

Ancelotti was sacked because he lost the team and they were risking being humiliated in Europe.

We should aim to win everything, as we already do. Style of play has nothing to do with that.

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Lippi had less talent? Are you $#@!ing kidding me? Other than Ronaldo no one in this team is even close to Zidane, Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Zambrotta, Thuram, or even Camoranesi.

That same Lippi lost 3/4 finals in CL, give me a break. If he was coaching now he would've been crucified.

And don't get me wrong, Lippi is my favorite coach of all time, but please.

I mean attacking talent at the same time. Neved and Zidane never played together and I love Camo but he is not on the same level to Dybala and Costa in attack.

Del Piero, Vieri, Inzaghi, Zidane, Nedved, Trezeguet, etc... those were some of the best players of that era. Between 95-99 there werent as many strong sides as we have today with emergence of oil funded clubs.

The 2-1 win away against Barca had Buffon and Thuram written all over it. Funny that you used that game as an example since we spent most of the game pinned back in our own half and capitalizing on a counter attack at the end of extra time.

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It also seems easy to forget some memorable performances in CL under Allegri, like destroying Barcelona 3-0 or Dortmund away, winning both legs against Man City, etc... I get it, sentimentality plays its part and for me Juve team between 94-99 will be my favorite one of all time.

Vieri, Inzaghi, Trezeguet never played in the same team at the same time. And these oil funded clubs still mean nothing on international stage as the old guns like Barca, Real and Bayern rule currently. And I am sure Real have spent less than us in the last 7-8 years but still won 4 CL.

 

[Ventus]

Allegri is by far our greatest manager since Lippi. In fact, if he does win the CL then he has equalled Lippi in terms of his Juve career. However he should not be exempt from criticism when it is justified. In my opinion, Allegri should be fielding his best squad so that the best players can build an understanding with each other. Right now, we are expected to win all the games that we have played but our best player (Ronaldo) has yet to perform. Essentially, starting your best players is important is important so that when the important games like at Man Utd and Valencia come we will be ready.

 

[Orgut]

Allegri is by far our greatest manager since Lippi. In fact, if he does win the CL then he has equalled Lippi in terms of his Juve career. However he should not be exempt from criticism when it is justified. In my opinion, Allegri should be fielding his best squad so that the best players can build an understanding with each other. Right now, we are expected to win all the games that we have played but our best player (Ronaldo) has yet to perform. Essentially, starting your best players is important is important so that when the important games like at Man Utd and Valencia come we will be ready.

On a tactical level I dont think there is any doubt about it
Right now something is missing in our game and I dont know who to blame
It could be - new signings yet to integrate properly
It could be - Tactics too strict which prevent creative freedom
It could be other reasons as well - I currently choose to believe its the first one

 

[pavluska]

I think football has become more and more like this, fucking internet fans. Like the team is here for their entertainment. And there'll be more and more of them after Ronaldo.

There are plenty of other choices if that is the deal breaker. Best thing is the same people would be the first crying like bitches if we had another Secco era. It seems an obvious choice and this is genuine advice to those people - go and watch other teams, because you are not watching Juve for genuine reasons. You watch football for entertainment, you're not entertained...go elsewhere.

I think they're just as big a fans but are wired differently. Cuckold, panties wearing type who gain pleasure via self bashing.

Or they're just dumb. I don't know. Haven't figured this species out.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I think they're just as big a fans but are wired differently. Cuckold, panties wearing type who gain pleasure via self bashing.

Or they're just dumb. I don't know. Haven't figured this species out.

cisgender white males?