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Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,888
Juventino★★★;5700679 said:
sure. we should all be greatful we drop valuable points against SPAL

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I remember the good old days when not bitching about something wasn't considered the same thing as being grateful.

Silly old me.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
Allegri is undoubtedly one of the best coaches in world football. Anyone who wants him gone is a lunatic. He has Juventus as one of the elite sides in Europe who IMO it has no right to be considering the standard of our midfield. We will be ripped apart by Madrid and there isn't much Allegri can do there unless the likes of Matuidi and Pjanic suddenly become world class players. HOWEVER we would be looking at a humiliating romping with someone else in charge.
Allegri fanboys underrating our own players just to make Max look better, typical.

Midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, Marchisio and Bentancur is not the best in the world but certainly not bad either. We have one of the best defences in the world. If Allegri can’t motivate Sandro to play well, that’s his fault. Wojciech is one of the best goalkeepers in the world but Allegri persists on using a past-prime Buffon, which is understandable I suppose because he doesn’t want to bench Gigi in his last CL games. Our depth in attack is unbelievable. We have Dybala, Higuain, Costa, Cuadrado and Bernardeschi. If Max wants to keep using Mandzukic on the wing, then it’s his fault why we are so predictable going forward.

Overall we have probably the 4th or 5th best squad in Europe. We shouldn’t get humiliated by anybody and only a few teams should be able to outplay us.
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
Allegri fanboys underrating our own players just to make Max look better, typical.

Midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, Marchisio and Bentancur is not the best in the world but certainly not bad either. We have one of the best defences in the world. If Allegri can’t motivate Sandro to play well, that’s his fault. Wojciech is one of the best goalkeepers in the world but Allegri persists on using a past-prime Buffon, which is understandable I suppose because he doesn’t want to bench Gigi in his last CL games. Our depth in attack is unbelievable. We have Dybala, Higuain, Costa, Cuadrado and Bernardeschi. If Max wants to keep using Mandzukic on the wing, then it’s his fault why we are so predictable going forward.

Overall we have probably the 4th or 5th best squad in Europe. We shouldn’t get humiliated by anybody and only a few teams should be able to outplay us.
I thought you saw the light?

Besides our midfield is mediocre
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
Our midfield is objectively the worst part of the team, but we still have a great goalkeeper, great defence, and great attack.

Also, Pjanic and Matuidi are not mediocre players.
Pjanic although our best midfielder is not special or at least he's not showing it this year. I think he's a bit overrated by the fanbase. He misplaces quite a few passes and gets overrun often. Still gives us an edge with his effiency though

Matuidi runs a lot and that's good thing compared to the other midfielders but he doesn't link the attack and defence.

They have their weaknesses and it's pretty visible once you watch Juve's midfield game.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
Oh wow, so excited to know this. “Offcourse” nothing less could do it.

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Not sure. Bayern and Juventus are similar clubs in some ways, but in Bayern there is a certain demand to dominate youre opponent which means dont let them have the initiative to much. After a 1-0 lead its important the players keep on going and smash the opponent everytime if this is possible.

A year ago I was excited about the idea with Allegri managing Bayern one day, but Im not sure he wouod fit into Bayerns philosophy also as it mostly didnt work out with a non-german coach. And not saying one style of football is more right than the other.

I definitely rate Allegri, but clubs are different and not everyone who was a succes one place will be the new place.
Are we talking recent philosophy? Van gaal coached you. He brought you back to europe after Klinsmann failures.

No-go cause Pep failed in europe and Ancelotti failed everywhere?

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True. Its Uli who is living in denial. He said "We will do anything possible to make Jupp stay, and convince him his task here is not over yet".

Funny thing is Uli was the reason Jupp didnt get to stay in the first place, as he was so $#@!ing horny about getting Pep in and get Jupp out :lol: FFS I hate that old $#@!er at times. Not saying everything would be perfect had Jupp stayed in the first place, but he should never had been replaced with Pep.

Löw should not come anywhere close to Bayern. One thing is being a NT coach, but managing a club is totally different. We already seen that with Klinsmann, a total disaster. No thank you.

It will probably and hopefully be Tuchel, he is the only reasonable candidate left imo. I wouldnt mind him coming if it has to be a german, and Bayern works best under german coaches in general.
Klinsmann only coached 2 years 2004-06. Low has been there since 2004 and as the manager since 2006. He has plenty experience. Knockout experience shoulnt be problem in CL.

I would like to see what Low could do in a club tbh.

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he is finished like 2010 Lippi
He is 58. Lippi was Italy manager then during 2004-2006.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
He is 58. Lippi was Italy manager then during 2004-2006.
Different coaches age differently. Some are still world class at the age of 70 like Ferguson. Some are finished at the age of 60.

I’m not saying that Ancelotti is finished, but if the rumours are true about him being very unprofessional at Bayern, then he has lost motivation.
 

JUVESUPPORTER

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2003
712
Allegri fanboys underrating our own players just to make Max look better, typical.

Midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, Marchisio and Bentancur is not the best in the world but certainly not bad either. We have one of the best defences in the world. If Allegri can’t motivate Sandro to play well, that’s his fault. Wojciech is one of the best goalkeepers in the world but Allegri persists on using a past-prime Buffon, which is understandable I suppose because he doesn’t want to bench Gigi in his last CL games. Our depth in attack is unbelievable. We have Dybala, Higuain, Costa, Cuadrado and Bernardeschi. If Max wants to keep using Mandzukic on the wing, then it’s his fault why we are so predictable going forward.

Overall we have probably the 4th or 5th best squad in Europe. We shouldn’t get humiliated by anybody and only a few teams should be able to outplay us.
Firstly I am not a 'fanboy' of anyone. Now to address your idiotic comments.

A midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, Marchisio and Beantancur is beyond shit for an elite European club. There is not ONE world class player there. The midfield is made up of an inconsistently great player (Pjanic), an effective but ultimately average player (Matuidi), a player WELL past his prime (Khedira), a chronically injured player who hasn't returned close to his previous form (Marchisio) and a completely unproven player who is having his first season at the top level (Bentacur). That IS a bad midfield compared to the likes Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, PSG etc. Hell even Tottenham who aren't considered a top European team COMPLETELY bossed us in midfield over TWO games. So yes are midfield is bad by the high standards we want set for ourselves. It is not bad for Serie A but then Serie A is hardly full of top flight teams.

Onto the defense part. We have one of the best defenses in the world largely due to the brilliance of Chiellini and I would argue Allegri's tactics. Our defense is by no means 'the best in the world' going on the actual players. Only Chiellini is world class. Benetia isn't there yet, Sandro is horribly off form, MDS isn't world class, Barzagli is past his prime but effective.

Wojciech is one of the best goalkeepers in the world :lol: Look I don't even need to address that stupidity. He is in great form but he is not one of the best goalkeepers in the world.

We have great depth in attack but considering the attack of Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, Man City, Chelsea, Man United, PSG, Bayern etc. and.... again...even Tottenham.... it is hardly stand out amazing. That's not even mentioning that Cuadrado, Bernadeschi and Mandu have been or are currently injured for various parts of the season.

Allegri dominates the Serie A and has brought us to a CL final with this team. 4th best squad in Europe? Do tell me who from Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, PSG do we have a better squad than? That's 5 teams who have better squads.

Allegri has done extraordinary with the resources he has. You have an agenda not me. I am not shitting on the players by stating the obvious. You however are acting like an illogical fanboy by saying such comments as Woj being one of the BEST GOALKEEPERS IN THE WORLD :lol:
 

Monty

Tuz Royalty
May 2, 2017
2,592
Firstly I am not a 'fanboy' of anyone. Now to address your idiotic comments.

A midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, Marchisio and Beantancur is beyond $#@! for an elite European club. There is not ONE world class player there. The midfield is made up of an inconsistently great player (Pjanic), an effective but ultimately average player (Matuidi), a player WELL past his prime (Khedira), a chronically injured player who hasn't returned close to his previous form (Marchisio) and a completely unproven player who is having his first season at the top level (Bentacur). That IS a bad midfield compared to the likes Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, PSG etc. Hell even Tottenham who aren't considered a top European team COMPLETELY bossed us in midfield over TWO games. So yes are midfield is bad by the high standards we want set for ourselves. It is not bad for Serie A but then Serie A is hardly full of top flight teams.

Onto the defense part. We have one of the best defenses in the world largely due to the brilliance of Chiellini and I would argue Allegri's tactics. Our defense is by no means 'the best in the world' going on the actual players. Only Chiellini is world class. Benetia isn't there yet, Sandro is horribly off form, MDS isn't world class, Barzagli is past his prime but effective.

Wojciech is one of the best goalkeepers in the world :lol: Look I don't even need to address that stupidity. He is in great form but he is not one of the best goalkeepers in the world.

We have great depth in attack but considering the attack of Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, Man City, Chelsea, Man United, PSG, Bayern etc. and.... again...even Tottenham.... it is hardly stand out amazing. That's not even mentioning that Cuadrado, Bernadeschi and Mandu have been or are currently injured for various parts of the season.

Allegri dominates the Serie A and has brought us to a CL final with this team. 4th best squad in Europe? Do tell me who from Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, PSG do we have a better squad than? That's 5 teams who have better squads.

Allegri has done extraordinary with the resources he has. You have an agenda not me. I am not $#@!ting on the players by stating the obvious. You however are acting like an illogical fanboy by saying such comments as Woj being one of the BEST GOALKEEPERS IN THE WORLD :lol:
:tup:

Damn, when you lay off the powder, you can actually make a sensible post
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
Allegri dominates the Serie A and has brought us to a CL final with this team. 4th best squad in Europe? Do tell me who from Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, PSG do we have a better squad than? That's 5 teams who have better squads.
Neither City nor PSG had a better squad than us when we reached the CL final last season. In fact, I would argue that they still don’t have a better squad than us.

Otamendi, Stones, Delph, Sterling and Jesus are all inferior to our counterparts (Chiellini, Benatia, Sandro, Dybala, Higuain). Szczesny is equal with Ederson.

Likewise Szczesny, Chiellini, Sandro, Matuidi, and Dybala would all play for PSG ahead of Areola, Marquinhos, Yuri, Motta, and Mbappe. Pjanic is equal with Rabiot, and Higuain is equal with Cavani.

Stop underrating our squad. The only clubs who definitely have a better team than us are Barca, Bayern and Real. We are easily as good as PSG and City overall.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,059
Very odd for Beppe to talk about Sarri at this point in time

Marotta: “When we choose the coaches we make other considerations, but I think Sarri is one of the most beautiful surprises between the Italian & international coaches. I think it's up to him to decide if he wants to stay at Napoli or not.”

I think we'd definitely be considering him if Allegri decides to leave.
 

Wittl

Senior Member
Contributor
Feb 21, 2017
11,311
Neither City nor PSG had a better squad than us when we reached the CL final last season. In fact, I would argue that they still don’t have a better squad than us.

Otamendi, Stones, Delph, Sterling and Jesus are all inferior to our counterparts (Chiellini, Benatia, Sandro, Dybala, Higuain). Szczesny is equal with Ederson.

Likewise Szczesny, Chiellini, Sandro, Matuidi, and Dybala would all play for PSG ahead of Areola, Marquinhos, Yuri, Motta, and Mbappe. Pjanic is equal with Rabiot, and Higuain is equal with Cavani.

Stop underrating our squad. The only clubs who definitely have a better team than us are Barca, Bayern and Real. We are easily as good as PSG and City overall.
That is so fucking random, that it must be trolling.

It could have also be:

"Walker, Laporte, Mendy, De Bruyne and Aguero are all better to our counterparts (MdS, Ragoni, Asamoah, Bernardeschi, Mandzukic) Buffon is better than Claudio Bravo."
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
That is so $#@!ing random, that it must be trolling.

It could have also be:

"Walker, Laporte, Mendy, De Bruyne and Aguero are all better to our counterparts (MdS, Ragoni, Asamoah, Bernardeschi, Mandzukic) Buffon is better than Claudio Bravo."
Those players I listed (Otamendi, Stones, Delph, Sterling, Jesus) are all first team starters. None of the players you listed apart from MDS are in our best eleven.

The point I’m making is that City’s first eleven is not better than Juve’s first eleven.

The Max fanboys on here are willing to bash and belittle our own players just to make him look better.
 

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