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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
As good as bonucci was at passing, still, we cannot blame everything on his sale.

Bonuccis long passes were a good option when we needed to change rhytm playing precise hoofball. But that was an extra tool, that should NOT be the bulk of our play.

The midfield is the critical area here. We need skilled midfielders able to get the ball from the back, and get it to the enemy field as a group. That requires skill.

For now, i think we need players who want to be involved in the midfield. Players like pjanic, marchiso and betancourt. And matuidi of course because he is the only physical player we have.

But for the summer, we desperately need to find skilled players for the midfield.

And even this alone will not do, because you can have all the iniestas in the world, but if the coach doesnt know how to focus the momevemnt of the team on team, and just order to hoofball to the wingers... we will never have a gameplan.
Allegri needs to finally develop a midfield that can dominate with passes and possesion. Defensive grinta is great, but it cannot be used everygame and pretend it will work.

I repeat, we need to find a balance in midfield and try to dominate in possesion and passing.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,500
A big problem I seen is Chiellini seems to get on the ball quite a lot and him having 2 left feet is not ideal for him to be making passes with

As much as people hate to admit it, we do miss Bonucci for this as when the midfield was struggling having him make passes from defence was a great back up option

We need a ball playing defender in my opinion
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
A big problem I seen is Chiellini seems to get on the ball quite a lot and him having 2 left feet is not ideal for him to be making passes with

As much as people hate to admit it, we do miss Bonucci for this as when the midfield was struggling having him make passes from defence was a great back up option

We need a ball playing defender in my opinion
or a ball playing midfield, most teams have those.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
A big problem I seen is Chiellini seems to get on the ball quite a lot and him having 2 left feet is not ideal for him to be making passes with

As much as people hate to admit it, we do miss Bonucci for this as when the midfield was struggling having him make passes from defence was a great back up option

We need a ball playing defender in my opinion
That is why we are targeting de vrij
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
My definition of stacked is different to yours then perhaps. You don't judge the overall quality of a squad with its weakest nor it's best player. Right now in most positions we have atleast two options of equally very good players before we get to the squad fillers, where in any era we used to have. That is a definition of a stacked team as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know the 70's or 80's Juve, I have memories of Ravanelli, Vialli , Baggio and started following closely from the late 90's. What I believe and consider is this team can compare to in not only fielding but covering for its best eleven.

Frankly, I'm not interested nor have the time to go over every era to compare one by one, but from my memory again I do consider this team as one of the more complete ones.
Great :tup: Then we simply just disagree.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
I know what happens with age silly :D

You didn’t specify “starters”. :p
Starters for next season should be: The Pole in Goal, Benatia, Chiellini, Sandro (if not sold), Matuidi (unless we get an upgrade), Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (because we paid 90 million for him) and Cuadrado. The other members of the starting 11 are still up for debate.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Starters for next season should be: The Pole in Goal, Benatia, Chiellini, Sandro (if not sold), Matuidi (unless we get an upgrade), Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (because we paid 90 million for him) and Cuadrado. The other members of the starting 11 are still up for debate.


Szjsjdneny
MDS-Benatia-Chiellini-Sandro
X-Pjanic-Matuidi
Dybala-Higuain-X

I think MDS will get the nod. The X in mid we need to buy. The Left attacker we have but max will need to determine who starts.

We are close but priority is a CM (two) and a RB
 

Monty

Tuz Royalty
May 2, 2017
2,592
Starters for next season should be: The Pole in Goal, Benatia, Chiellini, Sandro (if not sold), Matuidi (unless we get an upgrade), Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (because we paid 90 million for him) and Cuadrado. The other members of the starting 11 are still up for debate.
That's not how it works, starters for next season: oblak, , gimenez, rugani, sandro, SMS, pjanic, kovacic, bernardeschi, cavani, dybala
coach: sarri
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
A big problem I seen is Chiellini seems to get on the ball quite a lot and him having 2 left feet is not ideal for him to be making passes with

As much as people hate to admit it, we do miss Bonucci for this as when the midfield was struggling having him make passes from defence was a great back up option

We need a ball playing defender in my opinion
But why we MUST have a ball playing defender to fix our issues? I mean. Im not against it of course, but the fact that we NEED one is more an issue of our midfield, than directly with the defender.

You dont see ball playing geniuses in the defense on every team. Most defenders get the ball and pass it to the winger or closest midfielder he has for them to start the play.

Why we need to overcomplicate things, looking for bandaids to fix our issuesn , instead of tackling the core problem?
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
Starters for next season should be: The Pole in Goal, Benatia, Chiellini, Sandro (if not sold), Matuidi (unless we get an upgrade), Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (because we paid 90 million for him) and Cuadrado. The other members of the starting 11 are still up for debate.
If we play 433 with Higuain as striker and Dybala as inside right forward, then I really don't see room for Cuadrado anywhere.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,500
But why we MUST have a ball playing defender to fix our issues? I mean. Im not against it of course, but the fact that we NEED one is more an issue of our midfield, than directly with the defender.

You dont see ball playing geniuses in the defense on every team. Most defenders get the ball and pass it to the winger or closest midfielder he has for them to start the play.

Why we need to overcomplicate things, looking for bandaids to fix our issuesn , instead of tackling the core problem?
I would say because we have 2 CM when Dybala plays only, easy to get over run in the middle so that bypass option of a ball playing defender helps to relieve some of the pressure from the midfield
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
I would say because we have 2 CM when Dybala plays only, easy to get over run in the middle so that bypass option of a ball playing defender helps to relieve some of the pressure from the midfield
Yes i know, but if the problem is that we get overrun on the midfield, then lets tackle that problem! Instead of looking for elusive ballplaying defenders to be able to make dybala worth a dime. See my point?

The issue is a complex systematic thing, because we cant use dybala in most of our formations, and on top of it all, our midfield is incomplete. But theres were the work needs to be done.

Bonucci is gone, so we better adapt to that.
The dybala-formation issue needs a solution, and also the midfield issue. The rest is secondary.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,500
Yes i know, but if the problem is that we get overrun on the midfield, then lets tackle that problem! Instead of looking for elusive ballplaying defenders to be able to make dybala worth a dime. See my point?

The issue is a complex systematic thing, because we cant use dybala in most of our formations, and on top of it all, our midfield is incomplete. But theres were the work needs to be done.

Bonucci is gone, so we better adapt to that.
The dybala-formation issue needs a solution, and also the midfield issue. The rest is secondary.
Imo we are better off with only one striker

That means selling one of Dybala or Higuain

Dybala will have to change into an out and out striker, i'm sure if he is surrounded by 2 wingers he will adapt and score goals

Higuain is declining so probably makes sense to sell him but knowing the management Dybala will be sold somewhere down the line

Definitely I agree with you that this has to be addressed we are tactically limited with Dybala and Higuain when they play together

Lets see what the management does, I think this Summer could get quite interesting for us
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
That's the extreme end of the spectrum Bro. However, tell me, did you enjoy our performance against Spurs? Did you like seeing Spurs camped out in our half after the 15th minute of the 1st half, and enjoying close to 70% possession? Isn't that embarrassing? We weren't able to keep the ball, and we were playing at home. It's one thing to defend a 2 goal lead, and another to retreat into your half of the pitch completely. Frankly, it was disgusting. Defend, but no need to go full retard and defend that deeply, especially against a team with pace and technical ability who possess obvious vulnerabilities in defense.
I'm not even defending Allegri's performance in this specific match. It was garbage. I'm laughing at people going full retard somehow believing Sarri has shown something more than Allegri. He clearly hasn't. And has failed against far worse opposition. Clubs that are far shittier than even Napoli.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
I'm not even defending Allegri's performance in this specific match. It was garbage. I'm laughing at people going full retard somehow believing Sarri has shown something more than Allegri. He clearly hasn't. And has failed against far worse opposition. Clubs that are far $#@!tier than even Napoli.
Thats the truth.

Napoli got fuked hard just days ago in the EL. And for a team so well oiled, i think they drop the ball hard in europe.

I dont want to believe in the excuse they are only thinking about serie A either.
 

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