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Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
One reason I feel he might stay is that I think its obvious the grass is not always greener. He is Italian and at Juventus with a fantastic team. Many of the jobs he could get would involve total rebuilds. Also, the club appears to be willing to go after his transfer targets and follow his plans. We sold Bonucci when he fought with Allegri, kept Cuadrado, brought in Costa, signed Mandzukic.. all of those things were Allegri's objectives.

Allegri is an amazing coach who I hope stays here for many years
That's your hypothesis based on absolutely nothing. Allegri has denied this.
 

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Juvellino

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2015
7,145
As far as we can see, its only pav saying these ungrateful comments about euro max. I used to be displeased/not a fan from the get go (big time, as you can read in this thread), but he has more then proven himself by now. His work in europe has been immense, a coach can only do so much, and his consistently has taken us to 2 CL finals and a very narrow freak choke job loss vs Bayern in the other year (just couple minutes left til finito before Evra happend). Thats amazing pedigree for a single coach to have in CL. The rest is up to the players to finish off, or the management that keeps hampering our overall strength by rarely adding more quality without weakening elsewhere. No other top club or top coach has had to put up with policy like that. And he still keeps on taking us almost all the way regardless. Mad props.


IMO the worst thing that can happen to us next summer is Allegri not staying on.
:agree:
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
Allegri does what he can. Like @Osman said worst thing that could happen to us would be to let him go.

This argument about him lacking an attacking plan and how that would change anything is bull$#@!. Wanna see an attacking unit work? Have World class attackers. A coach picks what position and which areas should their players be what but once the game is on it all goes out the window.

A top player already knows where to be and when. Knows how to improvise and how to go about getting it in the net or finding somehow who will. You don't teach players like Messi or Neymar what to do. They already know.

Having said that... Unfortunately we have this guy who has a pathetic background when it comes to major finals or major matches in general



And we have an extremely talented player in Dybala but one that still has very little to show for on the big stage. Except for that first Barcelona match from last season and the one vs City, where he actually performed how he should, he hasn't really lived up to his star status. I still have hopes for him though.

So these are the players we rely on right now to make our attacking machine work. Not hard to see why it isn't great.
Thats nonsense. Its like saying "if your defensive players are good enough, there is no reason to organise a defense. They will just figure it out themselves"
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
He's just showing his joga bonito mentality.
The only thing ANY coach can do to a player like Neymar is give him instructions. Someone at that level already knows all there's to know at a very young age. He just improves those attributes, nothing else. You guys give coaches waaaay too much credit when it's always gonna come down to the players you have and what they can do.

One word for what made that Barcelona trio work? Talent. Everybody doubted it would work because on paper they thought a #9 couldn't play on the wings, Messi not on center? Bullshit. Enrique has a problem in his hands. And what did they do? Went beyond his instructions and improvised. In the end there was no "one" specific attacking plan, they all played everywhere in the pitch, switched positions all the time during the whole 90 minutes. When it comes to attacking 99% of the time players win matches.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
Says coaches are given way too much credit

See Benitez with madrid

The coaches at manu after freguson

Inter after mourinho

Hey bro stick to your joga Bonito stuff k bro?

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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
A simple example: Higuain get 3 clear chances and misses them all. They have a counterattack from one of those chances and score. Having conceded we feel the need to press even more. They're now relaxed because they're ahead and takes advantage of our need to score and score again.

People will blame Allegri when two things: maybe our defense really wasn't organized enough and allowed those goals to happen but then maybe if Higuain had score 2 from those chances we'd have put he game to rest ages ago, The strongness of our attack, in this case the talent of said player, compensated for not having the best defensive unit. Then everybody would praise Allegri.
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
The only thing ANY coach can do to a player like Neymar is give him instructions. Someone at that level already knows all there's to know at a very young age. He just improves those attributes, nothing else. You guys give coaches waaaay too much credit when it's always gonna come down to the players you have and what they can do.

One word for what made that Barcelona trio work? Talent. Everybody doubted it would work because on paper they thought a #9 couldn't play on the wings, Messi not on center? Bullshit. Enrique has a problem in his hands. And what did they do? Went beyond his instructions and improvised. In the end there was no "one" specific attacking plan, they all played everywhere in the pitch, switched positions all the time during the whole 90 minutes. When it comes to attacking 99% of the time players win matches.
I agree smart and good attackers find ways to work the defence as the match progress. But even then its always in some combinations and support from midfield and overall movement of forwards. It's not as directionless, free for all as you make it sound. What you're describing is an individual play or moment of magic that happens every once in a while.

The same Barca you're talking about, even with a more talented player in Neymar couldn't figure it out themselves and struggled last season.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
I agree smart and good attackers find ways to work the defence as the match progress. But even then its always in some combinations and support from midfield and overall movement of forwards. It's not as directionless, free for all as you make it sound. What you're describing is an individual play or moment of magic that happens every once in a while.

The same Barca you're talking about, even with a more talented player in Neymar couldn't figure it out themselves and struggled last season.
That's true, they did struggle. In fact they had 180 minutes and no goals against us. But let's take a look at what we had:

Alves, easily the best right back in the world. And on the best form of his life.
Alex Sandro, I think we'll all agree he's the second best left back after Marcelo. Also in great form then.
Bonucci, arguably the best defender in the world then, some will say after Ramos. The best season of his career.
Chiellini, he has his ups and downs but generally he's a top defender. Tough, fast and passionate.

I don't think everyone realizes what a fucking great back 4 we had. Pure talent.
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
That's true, they did struggle. In fact they had 180 minutes and no goals against us. But let's take a look at what we had:

Alves, easily the best right back in the world. And on the best form of his life.
Alex Sandro, I think we'll all agree he's the second best left back after Marcelo. Also in great form then.
Bonucci, arguably the best defender in the world then, some will say after Ramos. The best season of his career.
Chiellini, he has his ups and downs but generally he's a top defender. Tough, fast and passionate.

I don't think everyone realizes what a fucking great back 4 we had. Pure talent.

Benatia on 2ND goal was embarrassing and Sturaro completely fucked up shape of our backline as soon as he was subbed. (Barzagli was literally playing next to him) but we are talking about our attack and overall play going forward that is lacking.

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And I don't believe is 100% down to our players not being talented enough or cutting it at big stage.
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
No, it's not. Defense and attack are two completely different things. Total opposite.
Offcourse its different, but it does not mean that a organised attack is not as important. Spanish and German football culture has been totally dominant in the last 10 years, both on club and national team levels. That is two football cultures who is focused on possesion football, gegenpressure and overall attacking movement as a team. In this time the classic Italian style of an organised defense, counterattacks, setpieces and individual brilliance have won fuck all on an international level.

Offcourse the team with the better individual players, have a better chance of winning, but stating that having an attacking plan does not matter is just beyond moronic.
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
8,799
Thats nonsense. Its like saying "if your defensive players are good enough, there is no reason to organise a defense. They will just figure it out themselves"
Agree. Somes are just in denial. Brazil was shit with the last two coaches in attack supposedly cuz they missed a new Ronaldo9. Well they still don't have one, they changed coach and now they r killing everyone. Football is so complicated that you can't just do one defensive and one attacking plan, it has to be just one big plan, you can change it around the game but defense and attack are so connected like two horny teenagers
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
We missed only two starters, Chiellini and Mandzukic.

Marchisio hasn't been a starter for over a year due to injuries, Khedira shouldn't have started eitherway, and isn't it the same Cuadrado who we want him benched in other games?

People want to find an excuse for everything.
Come on. Of course we didn't. Maybe only four - considering the lineup. We all know that Marchisio will play when he's fit and Khedira is an Allegri darling too. If Cuadrado was available, he would've played too. Allegri is so predictable here and I didn't see any hint at changing that.
 

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