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IMO tonight was a perfect example of an Allegri team.
In the first half we controlled the game with a nearly perfect defensive performance and some good counterattacks.
In the second half we had to be proaktive team. Again we have absolute no offensive team movements. Everything is dependend on individual performances. We start making to many mistakes because there is no plan at all.
As long as we dont have to chase the game we are good. If we go behind against a quality team, we are in big trouble.
In the first half we controlled the game with a nearly perfect defensive performance and some good counterattacks.
In the second half we had to be proaktive team. Again we have absolute no offensive team movements. Everything is dependend on individual performances. We start making to many mistakes because there is no plan at all.
As long as we dont have to chase the game we are good. If we go behind against a quality team, we are in big trouble.
Well, Rugani has been rather inconsistent this season, and might have been exposed today as bad as Benatia, so i won't blame Allegri for not fielding him. The fact is however, that we let go of 2 top 5 defenders and have replaced them with nothing or with serious downgrades. Rugani is going to be special in the future but is far from Bonucci's level today and i won't even discuss MDS. You simply can't get away with that every single year. After the game in Cardiff last season, i've said that our confidence would be taking a huge hit and today we showed to be incapable of getting back in a game we trail. I still feel like we are recovering from that game back in June, and only time will tell whether that is going to be this season.
Their leadership shouldn't be underestimated. barzagli is done. Shouldn't be starting against barca away anymore. We are injury ridden right now.
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But our backline wasn't really the problem?
Pjanic didn't track Messi on goal #1.
Our entire left side ball watched on the one goal.
You guys keep talking about losing Alves and Bonucci but completely ignore the fact that Sandro has been an absolute disaster this season.
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Hell, even Sturaro had a goal line clearance but our CM's where in la-la land on the other goal too.
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But our backline wasn't really the problem?
Pjanic didn't track Messi on goal #1.
Our entire left side ball watched on the one goal.
You guys keep talking about losing Alves and Bonucci but completely ignore the fact that Sandro has been an absolute disaster this season.
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Hell, even Sturaro had a goal line clearance but our CM's where in la-la land on the other goal too.
Yes we lost our best CB to Milan.
Pjanić is our most influential CM. Marchisio is 32 and injury prone.
MDS nearly cost us a goal. He should thank heavens he had the slow Suárez to contend with. Had it been Dembele who he had to track, he would have been shredded to pieces.
Retarded to assume that players like De Sciglio are even fit to start for Juventus in the first place.
Pjanić is our most influential CM. Marchisio is 32 and injury prone.
MDS nearly cost us a goal. He should thank heavens he had the slow Suárez to contend with. Had it been Dembele who he had to track, he would have been shredded to pieces.
Retarded to assume that players like De Sciglio are even fit to start for Juventus in the first place.
MDS was hurt and needed to be taken off sooner. Blame Max for not having a RB to put in.
Pjanic isn't a leader, you know what I meant. Marchisio knows when to slow the pace of the game down.
Our best CB is injured. Our best ball playing CB we sold, yes. Rugani should have played but was benched for a 37 year old or however old Barzagli is.
MDS can shut down one of the best CFs in the game but a lesser player with speed suddenly makes him a bad player? I don't get that logic?
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Leadership and guidance that Marchisio and Chiellini would have offered.
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Also leadership that Mario would have offered.
Pjanic isn't a leader, you know what I meant. Marchisio knows when to slow the pace of the game down.
Our best CB is injured. Our best ball playing CB we sold, yes. Rugani should have played but was benched for a 37 year old or however old Barzagli is.
MDS can shut down one of the best CFs in the game but a lesser player with speed suddenly makes him a bad player? I don't get that logic?
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Leadership and guidance that Marchisio and Chiellini would have offered.
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Also leadership that Mario would have offered.
You're right in that regard, Bentancur and Pjanic should have been more aggresive on the first goal. Benatia's clearence on the second goal, just before Messi got the ball was completely on him though. After Sturaro's clearence, at least 1 midfielder should have been there to recover. The third goal was again on Benatia, as he was not aggressive enough and was giving Messi literally a couple of yards around the box, which is suicide.
It's just that the guys we let go were actually able to hold on their own and now the collective defense seems to be failling, something i have not seen for a long time. And then A.Sandro has been subpar this season, which makes things even worse. In previous years our complete backline consisted of world-class defenders who were a strong collective, today, we have 1 left in A. Sandro (once he reaches his level again, and 2 if Chiellini is fit). We shifted focus on our attack, but im still having my doubts whether that is justified.
It's just that the guys we let go were actually able to hold on their own and now the collective defense seems to be failling, something i have not seen for a long time. And then A.Sandro has been subpar this season, which makes things even worse. In previous years our complete backline consisted of world-class defenders who were a strong collective, today, we have 1 left in A. Sandro (once he reaches his level again, and 2 if Chiellini is fit). We shifted focus on our attack, but im still having my doubts whether that is justified.
-Him making a senseless pass has nothing to do with his injury but more to do with his lack of presence of mind. He is simply no cut out for this level.
-Marchisio was a leader a year or two ago when he was fit and in his prime. The current Marchisio cannot offer the consistent quality you expect from him due to his injuries. This can't be used as an excuse. Pjanić is our best midfielder we have right now.
-Rugani would've made a difference is purely speculative as he has hardly even cemented his spot in the first place. And the fact that he has been pretty horrible in some of the big games in the past doesn't fill you with confidence. He hasn't been great this year either.
-It's pretty obvious. Suárez's best traits is more suited to use him at the center. It reminds me of how Barca wasted David Villa by playing him out wide. Meanwhile Dembele is emerging as one of the best dribblers in the game and is already one of the top 5 young talents in the world. His pace and trickery would've roasted De Sciglio. You can paint it out however you want, De Sciglio is not good enough for Juventus. Period.
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Yes. Keep comforting yourself that every sale we made was a great decision. Bonucci in a Juventus system and Bonucci in a newly built Milan with mostly cack players surrounding him is two different things altogether.
-Marchisio was a leader a year or two ago when he was fit and in his prime. The current Marchisio cannot offer the consistent quality you expect from him due to his injuries. This can't be used as an excuse. Pjanić is our best midfielder we have right now.
-Rugani would've made a difference is purely speculative as he has hardly even cemented his spot in the first place. And the fact that he has been pretty horrible in some of the big games in the past doesn't fill you with confidence. He hasn't been great this year either.
-It's pretty obvious. Suárez's best traits is more suited to use him at the center. It reminds me of how Barca wasted David Villa by playing him out wide. Meanwhile Dembele is emerging as one of the best dribblers in the game and is already one of the top 5 young talents in the world. His pace and trickery would've roasted De Sciglio. You can paint it out however you want, De Sciglio is not good enough for Juventus. Period.
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Yes. Keep comforting yourself that every sale we made was a great decision. Bonucci in a Juventus system and Bonucci in a newly built Milan with mostly cack players surrounding him is two different things altogether.
We should be playing Rugani more. Caldara better be worth the buy and 2 year wait.
-His mind was clearly out of it after the injury. You could see him hobbling everywhere on the pitch after it. He was doing well up until the injury.
-Marchisio is a leader and influential on the field. More so than Pjanic. I don't disagree that Pjanic is better...with the ball, but doesn't have the leadership. We need what Marchisio can offer and we saw in preseason what that was when he played. He is clearly working hard to get match fit and contribute. If he is fit, he offers quality.
-Rugani hasn't been great but has he been worse than Benatia or Barzagli? Not even close. Poor decision not to start him.
-I feel like had Sandro & MDS been swtiched with the same result you would have flipped your argument. Sandro had little to worry about today with the worlds top 5 young talent in the world because the kid didn't do much at all.
-lol when did I say selling Bonucci was a great decision? Here you are AGAIN putting words in peoples mouths. Even with Bonucci we still would have lost...like we did against Real and Barca the year before that.
-His mind was clearly out of it after the injury. You could see him hobbling everywhere on the pitch after it. He was doing well up until the injury.
-Marchisio is a leader and influential on the field. More so than Pjanic. I don't disagree that Pjanic is better...with the ball, but doesn't have the leadership. We need what Marchisio can offer and we saw in preseason what that was when he played. He is clearly working hard to get match fit and contribute. If he is fit, he offers quality.
-Rugani hasn't been great but has he been worse than Benatia or Barzagli? Not even close. Poor decision not to start him.
-I feel like had Sandro & MDS been swtiched with the same result you would have flipped your argument. Sandro had little to worry about today with the worlds top 5 young talent in the world because the kid didn't do much at all.
-lol when did I say selling Bonucci was a great decision? Here you are AGAIN putting words in peoples mouths. Even with Bonucci we still would have lost...like we did against Real and Barca the year before that.
